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Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz?

I think this would solve some of the outstanding unanswered questions
queue. We could all agree on maybe a 2-day spree where we could all
check in and answer as many questions as possible. The 2-day spree would
also allow for a return to those who answered just in case of a need to
update and reply to the answer.

Cheers,

Marc


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Hi,

Marc Paré wrote on 2012-05-20 06:39:
> Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz?

I think that's a brilliant idea!

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Hi Marc, *,

On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz?
>
> I think this would solve some of the outstanding unanswered questions queue.
> We could all agree on maybe a 2-day spree where we could all check in and
> answer as many questions as possible. The 2-day spree would also allow for a
> return to those who answered just in case of a need to update and reply to
> the answer.

While this will bring the # of unanswered questions down, I'd rather
have people who ask question also answer other ones :-)

People don't make enough use of their votes yet, they are not really
familiar with the system yet.

What I'd like to avoid is that there will be 10 people answering all
the questions...

But going though the unanswered ones (preferrably in "oldest first"
order) is of course a good idea, but hopefully it will not be the same
people doing all the work.

ciao
Christian

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On 20 May 2012 12:36, Christian Lohmaier
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> Hi Marc, *,
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz?
> >
> > I think this would solve some of the outstanding unanswered questions
> queue.
> > We could all agree on maybe a 2-day spree where we could all check in and
> > answer as many questions as possible. The 2-day spree would also allow
> for a
> > return to those who answered just in case of a need to update and reply
> to
> > the answer.
>
> While this will bring the # of unanswered questions down, I'd rather
> have people who ask question also answer other ones :-)
>
> People don't make enough use of their votes yet, they are not really
> familiar with the system yet.
>
> What I'd like to avoid is that there will be 10 people answering all
> the questions...
>
> But going though the unanswered ones (preferrably in "oldest first"
> order) is of course a good idea, but hopefully it will not be the same
> people doing all the work.
>
> ciao
> Christian
>


I am an answer contact for LO (and OO) questions in Ubuntu on Launchpad
[1].  So I had a look about a week ago at the unanswered question in
AskLibO, but I must admit I found it very heavy going.  Some of the reasons
why are:

1) They need specialist knowledge to give a good answer.
2) Vague questions which need more details to know how to give a good
answer.
3) OS details needed for a correct answer (I am using Ubuntu Linux).

I will also admit that I do not much like the 'Ask' format.  I just want to
help people.  I'm not interested in Votes, etc.  To me it all gets in the
way of engaging with the user.  Sometimes you need a sequence of questions
and answers to get to a good solution.  The Ask format isn't really a good
way to do that.  Forums are better.

Tony

[1] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+questions

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Hi Christian,

Le 2012-05-20 07:36, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

> Hi Marc, *,
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Marc Paré<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz?
>>
>> I think this would solve some of the outstanding unanswered questions queue.
>> We could all agree on maybe a 2-day spree where we could all check in and
>> answer as many questions as possible. The 2-day spree would also allow for a
>> return to those who answered just in case of a need to update and reply to
>> the answer.
>
> While this will bring the # of unanswered questions down, I'd rather
> have people who ask question also answer other ones :-)
>
> People don't make enough use of their votes yet, they are not really
> familiar with the system yet.
>
> What I'd like to avoid is that there will be 10 people answering all
> the questions...
>
> But going though the unanswered ones (preferrably in "oldest first"
> order) is of course a good idea, but hopefully it will not be the same
> people doing all the work.
>
> ciao
> Christian
>

I think the whole exercise of doing blitzes would be to reduce the
number of outstanding questions as well as reducing the amount of
frustration these questions are causing. I'm sure once the numbers of
users increase in the use of the AskLibO, the number of outstanding
questions will lessen. People will get use to the way it works.

It is also a good exercise for the LibreOffice membership who may have
forgotten to "pop by" once in a while on the AskLibO pages; I know that
I am guilty of this. If we want to market LibreOffice in a positive way,
then we should try our best to give users a great experience on our help
lines.

It is quite a shock for OOo users to leave their cozy forums and have to
deal with the busy LibreOffice mailinglists and the AskLibO site. I
think we can all appreciate that they are left at a disadvantage having
to learn a new way of reporting problems or even asking for help. Most
LibreOffice users who use these help lines are really not interested in
learning a new system, they just need an answer to their questions re:
trouble with LibreOffice.

On the other hand, community building would help in creating a
LibreOffice community that could possibly make better use of the AskLibO
site. This, I believe, we need to foster more on our mailing lists:
encouraging membership to LibreOffice.

Cheers,

Marc


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On Sun, 2012-05-20 at 18:07 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:
>
> It is also a good exercise for the LibreOffice membership who may have
> forgotten to "pop by" once in a while on the AskLibO pages;

Sigh!

I was excited when AskLibo started, only to find that OpenId is required
for using it.  And the OpenId providers advertised all have impressive
terms of use, "impressive" as in "long and daunting".

Please forgive my whining.
Terry.




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Marc Paré wrote
Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz?
Obviously it would be better than the current situation :)

The main problem with AskLibO is that there are few people answering questions on a regular basis. With few people around there are obviously many areas of LibreOffice that are unknown and therefore unanswered.

The second problem is that most people expect to be answered immediately. If the answer doesn't pop-up while the user is still on the site (and they probably don't wait more than 2 minutes...) then even if an answer is provided, the user is already gone.

This means that since the person who asked the question most of the times doesn't bother to check for an answer (or forgets to mark any of the answers as correct), then the number of the "unanswered" questions is almost the same as "all" questions (685 out of 855 as I write)

This means that not only people who make an effort to provide answers don't see any feedback but also makes it harder to find truly unanswered questions...

I think this tool has a great potential as a knowledge base but it fails because of the wrong usage by people who ask questions who expect this to behave as some sort of IRC channel...

Just my 2 cents ;)
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Terrence Enger wrote
I was excited when AskLibo started, only to find that OpenId is required
for using it.  And the OpenId providers advertised all have impressive
terms of use, "impressive" as in "long and daunting".
What if BrowserID was added (or replaced OpenID)?
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Pedro schrieb:

> The main problem with AskLibO is that there are few people answering
> questions on a regular basis.

Hi,

a agree with all your points.

The job there is frustrating. Many of the questions are lousy, but that
also might be a Help problem. Help should at least ask for some
essential info like user's OS, LibO version, localization and
application (sometimes it's not clear whether the problem is in a WRITER
or CALC table),

Help should ask users to file a bug if the "question" apparently is a
Bug report.

And a "Thank you" is the exception.

The tool really has great potential, but some more administration will
be required to get best benefit for users with questions with acceptable
costs.

Best Regards

Rainer

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On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 06:52 -0700, Pedro wrote:
> Terrence Enger wrote
> >
> > I was excited when AskLibo started, only to find that OpenId is required
> > for using it.  And the OpenId providers advertised all have impressive
> > terms of use, "impressive" as in "long and daunting".
> >
>
> What if BrowserID was added (or replaced OpenID)?

The first couple of pages about BrowserID that I found do not suggest
that I would have to understand any legalese.  That sounds good.

Is this easy to implement?  I have not heard that anybody else is
worried by OpenID, and I cannot realistically expect that my
contributions will be worth awfully much.

Thanks,
Terry.



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Terrence Enger wrote
Is this easy to implement?  I have not heard that anybody else is
worried by OpenID, and I cannot realistically expect that my
contributions will be worth awfully much.
I have no idea :)

A lot of people are worried by OpenID because they don't trust the companies involved (I use my Gmail login, but I'm not too comfortable with Google owning more information about me... they already know far too much...)

The fact that there aren't a lot of people complaining could be related to the fact that you need to register (either to AskLibO or these mailing lists) to complain... which is called a Catch 22 :)

IMO any contribution (such as exposing your opinion in a polite way)  is a valid contribution ;)

Regards,
Pedro
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Hi Rainer, *,

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rainer Bielefeld
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Pedro schrieb:
>
>> The main problem with AskLibO is that there are few people answering
>> questions on a regular basis.
>
> The job there is frustrating. Many of the questions are lousy, but that also
> might be a Help problem.

Answering that there isn't enough info is of course also a valid
answer. And feel free to just close those when there is no further
info after a couple of day.

> And a "Thank you" is the exception.

Well - that I don't consider a problem - unless you also consider
votes as a "Thank you".

The "thank you" on ask.libreoffice.org is the upvoting of your
answer/flagging it as correct.
And giving votes is not limited to the person who asked that specific
question, but everyone who reads an entry should use their votes
accordingly.

> The tool really has great potential, but some more administration will be
> required to get best benefit for users with questions with acceptable costs.

I don't think it is an administration problem, but rather a problem of
educating people about it..

ciao
Christian

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Hi Terry,

Le 2012-05-21 10:35, Terrence Enger a écrit :

> On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 06:52 -0700, Pedro wrote:
>> Terrence Enger wrote
>>>
>>> I was excited when AskLibo started, only to find that OpenId is required
>>> for using it.  And the OpenId providers advertised all have impressive
>>> terms of use, "impressive" as in "long and daunting".
>>>
>>
>> What if BrowserID was added (or replaced OpenID)?
>
> The first couple of pages about BrowserID that I found do not suggest
> that I would have to understand any legalese.  That sounds good.
>
> Is this easy to implement?  I have not heard that anybody else is
> worried by OpenID, and I cannot realistically expect that my
> contributions will be worth awfully much.
>
> Thanks,
> Terry.

Perhaps the convenience of using OpenID is what makes it better for
general use. I don't know if implementing BrowserID along with OpenID is
possible (most things are possible). We have also talked about perhaps
hosting our own OpenID, then people would be able to register with
TDF/LibreOffice and log in with this ID. But this is still an ongoing
discussion.

As for your statement re: your contributions not being worth awfully
much, if people are responding to your posts then you are being listened
to. Other LibreOffice members are not on the lists every day and will
eventually read your posts. But yes, posts are read and picked up for a
response where people can add to the discussion.

Your contributions are appreciated.

Cheers,

Marc


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Le 2012-05-21 13:15, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :

> Hi Rainer, *,
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Rainer Bielefeld
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Pedro schrieb:
>>
>>> The main problem with AskLibO is that there are few people answering
>>> questions on a regular basis.
>>
>> The job there is frustrating. Many of the questions are lousy, but that also
>> might be a Help problem.
>
> Answering that there isn't enough info is of course also a valid
> answer. And feel free to just close those when there is no further
> info after a couple of day.
>
>> And a "Thank you" is the exception.
>
> Well - that I don't consider a problem - unless you also consider
> votes as a "Thank you".
>
> The "thank you" on ask.libreoffice.org is the upvoting of your
> answer/flagging it as correct.
> And giving votes is not limited to the person who asked that specific
> question, but everyone who reads an entry should use their votes
> accordingly.
>
>> The tool really has great potential, but some more administration will be
>> required to get best benefit for users with questions with acceptable costs.
>
> I don't think it is an administration problem, but rather a problem of
> educating people about it..
>
> ciao
> Christian
>
+1

I would also add that we are stretching our resource people quite far
with all of the implementation going on with the project. We need more
hands for the amount of work done. Encouraging membership will help us
out a lot more.

Marc


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Marc Paré wrote
Perhaps the convenience of using OpenID is what makes it better for
general use. I don't know if implementing BrowserID along with OpenID is
possible (most things are possible). We have also talked about perhaps
hosting our own OpenID, then people would be able to register with
TDF/LibreOffice and log in with this ID. But this is still an ongoing
discussion.
OpenID is convenient but many Open Source users don't want to open an account with the "big sharks" to be able to have an universal login.
Having to register with TDF/LibreOffice (again!) completely defeats the concept of a universal login.

BrowserID seems to be the only company independent universal login. You just need to have an email account. Any email account will do.

Regards,
Pedro
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Hi Pedro

Le 2012-05-21 18:16, Pedro a écrit :

>
> Marc Paré wrote
>>
>> Perhaps the convenience of using OpenID is what makes it better for
>> general use. I don't know if implementing BrowserID along with OpenID is
>> possible (most things are possible). We have also talked about perhaps
>> hosting our own OpenID, then people would be able to register with
>> TDF/LibreOffice and log in with this ID. But this is still an ongoing
>> discussion.
>>
>
> OpenID is convenient but many Open Source users don't want to open an
> account with the "big sharks" to be able to have an universal login.
> Having to register with TDF/LibreOffice (again!) completely defeats the
> concept of a universal login.
>
> BrowserID seems to be the only company independent universal login. You just
> need to have an email account. Any email account will do.
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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>

OpenID is a foundation and yes, it does provide traffic statistics to
its members. In our case TDF/LibreOffice could become a member that
dispenses OpenID login/passwords, This would be beneficial from a
marketing point of view. Sponsoring members can be found on this
page[1]. OpenID is quite "up-front" with the use of its services which
are found here[2].

BrowserID is backed by Mozilla. While BroswerID says that it is a
"decentralized" system of authentication, there is, however, a
centralized authority that collects all of the login/passwords -- the
Mozilla Group. You may find some of the details and commments on this
page[3].

So, in essence, if we are looking for a decentralized form of logging
into any of our sites, well, there is none:

* BrowserID leaves the Mozilla group as the gatekeepers of our
login/password data, however, they say that this is done without
collection of data. This is the tenet by which we are to believe and trust.

*OpenID is sponsored by many members, does collect demographic
information and shares it with groups who carry the OpenID on their
site[2 section: "Access rich user profiel data]. If TDF/LibreOffice were
to become a member member as well as maintain its own OpenID, the
LibreOffice could decide what kind of data is collected.

It all depends on who you trust as well as the popularity of system. If
the TDF/LibreOffice becomes and OpenID provider, then, OpenID user would
then put their trust in the TDF/LibreOffice. With BrowserID, we put our
trust into the Mozilla Group.

Cheers,

Marc


[1] http://openid.net/foundation/sponsoring-members/
[2] http://openid.net/add-openid/
[3] http://lloyd.io/how-browserid-works


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Hi Marc

Marc Paré wrote
OpenID is a foundation and yes, it does provide traffic statistics to
its members. In our case TDF/LibreOffice could become a member that
dispenses OpenID login/passwords
The fact that it is a "Foundation" does not make it trustworthy per se ;)
Even so since the traffic generated by a TDF/LO OpenID is collected by the foundation's servers, the data is available to all, right?

Marc Paré wrote
*OpenID is sponsored by many members, does collect demographic
information and shares it with groups who carry the OpenID on their
site[2 section: "Access rich user profiel data]. If TDF/LibreOffice were
to become a member member as well as maintain its own OpenID, the
LibreOffice could decide what kind of data is collected.
That is exactly the point :) Why should other companies which I don't have any relation with know WHERE and WHEN I logged in?

Marc Paré wrote
It all depends on who you trust as well as the popularity of system. If
the TDF/LibreOffice becomes and OpenID provider, then, OpenID user would
then put their trust in the TDF/LibreOffice. With BrowserID, we put our
trust into the Mozilla Group.
That would be better than putting my trust in Google (a company that "accidentally" collects unencrypted wifi data...) but still the login data is shared with the other consortium members...

I guess that if I stopped trusting Mozilla I would have to switch browser. ALL of my online information is typed on a browser programmed by Mozilla. Compared to that, only a small portion of the information is in the hands of Google (and that is why I deliberately don't use Chrome)

Regardless of who is involved, it appears to me that the BrowserID model preserves more your online privacy than the OpenID model...

Cheers,
Pedro
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Hi Pedro,

Le 2012-05-22 05:28, Pedro a écrit :

> Hi Marc
> Marc Paré wrote
>>
>> OpenID is a foundation and yes, it does provide traffic statistics to
>> its members. In our case TDF/LibreOffice could become a member that
>> dispenses OpenID login/passwords
>
> The fact that it is a "Foundation" does not make it trustworthy per se ;)
> Even so since the traffic generated by a TDF/LO OpenID is collected by the
> foundation's servers, the data is available to all, right?

I think this is the way it works. Although, the foundation TDF does
represent all of us, collectively. Who then can you really trust any
better than yourself?

>
> Marc Paré wrote
>>
>> *OpenID is sponsored by many members, does collect demographic
>> information and shares it with groups who carry the OpenID on their
>> site[2 section: "Access rich user profiel data]. If TDF/LibreOffice were
>> to become a member member as well as maintain its own OpenID, the
>> LibreOffice could decide what kind of data is collected.
>
> That is exactly the point :) Why should other companies which I don't have
> any relation with know WHERE and WHEN I logged in?

The majority of websites use analytical aids to monitor traffic on their
sites. Yes, unfortunately, BIG BROTHER is everywhere.

>
> Marc Paré wrote
>>
>> It all depends on who you trust as well as the popularity of system. If
>> the TDF/LibreOffice becomes and OpenID provider, then, OpenID user would
>> then put their trust in the TDF/LibreOffice. With BrowserID, we put our
>> trust into the Mozilla Group.
>>
>
> That would be better than putting my trust in Google (a company that
> "accidentally" collects unencrypted wifi data...) but still the login data
> is shared with the other consortium members...
>
> I guess that if I stopped trusting Mozilla I would have to switch browser.
> ALL of my online information is typed on a browser programmed by Mozilla.
> Compared to that, only a small portion of the information is in the hands of
> Google (and that is why I deliberately don't use Chrome)

Hmmm, Mozilla makes the bulk of its operating funds from the "Google
Search" window. So when you search from this window, I imagine that
Google is also (with the help of the Mozilla Group) listening in on the
search patterns of FF users.

>
> Regardless of who is involved, it appears to me that the BrowserID model
> preserves more your online privacy than the OpenID model...
>

Regardless of the method, there will always be a primary organism that
will collect the login/password data. In our case, the data we collect
would go towards making the site more accessible and more of a fruitful
event for our users. I don't believe at this point either system is
better or worse.

Cheers,

Marc


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Hi Marc

Marc Paré wrote
>> OpenID is a foundation and yes, it does provide traffic statistics to
>> its members. In our case TDF/LibreOffice could become a member that
>> dispenses OpenID login/passwords
>
> The fact that it is a "Foundation" does not make it trustworthy per se ;)
> Even so since the traffic generated by a TDF/LO OpenID is collected by the
> foundation's servers, the data is available to all, right?

I think this is the way it works. Although, the foundation TDF does
represent all of us, collectively. Who then can you really trust any
better than yourself?
I was referring to the OpenID Foundation, not to TDF. And I was referring to the traffic data being available to all the OpenID members not to all TDF members. In any case TDF does not represent me since i'm not a member and i have not elected it's members :) I'm just a free user ;)

Marc Paré wrote
> I guess that if I stopped trusting Mozilla I would have to switch browser.
> ALL of my online information is typed on a browser programmed by Mozilla.
> Compared to that, only a small portion of the information is in the hands of
> Google (and that is why I deliberately don't use Chrome)

Hmmm, Mozilla makes the bulk of its operating funds from the "Google
Search" window. So when you search from this window, I imagine that
Google is also (with the help of the Mozilla Group) listening in on the
search patterns of FF users.
Yes, i'm aware that any search is logged, especially if i'm logged in to my Gmail account on any tab (which i avoid doing).
But i was referring to the browser itself. I have to believe that the browser is not logging and sending what i type in my work's webmail or on my website's PMs or any other information typed on the main browser window. If i begin to doubt that, then i will enter into severe paranoia :)

Marc Paré wrote
Regardless of the method, there will always be a primary organism that
will collect the login/password data. In our case, the data we collect
would go towards making the site more accessible and more of a fruitful
event for our users. I don't believe at this point either system is
better or worse.
Of course having a single OpenID for all TDF sites would be a great improvement. But it would still be yet another set of login/password to memorize... And as i said having TDF as the primary organism gives me more confidence than any of the existing OpenID members. But i was referring to the concern of using a TDF OpenID on other sites and having that traffic information shared with to all OpenID corporate members.

Cheers,
Pedro
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Please stay on topic, and discuss AskLibO blitzes issues!

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Pedro [mailto:[hidden email]]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:12 PM
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes
>
>Hi Marc
>
>
>Marc Paré wrote
>>
>>>> OpenID is a foundation and yes, it does provide traffic statistics
>>>> to its members. In our case TDF/LibreOffice could become a member
>>>> that dispenses OpenID login/passwords
>>>
>>> The fact that it is a "Foundation" does not make it trustworthy per
>>> se ;) Even so since the traffic generated by a TDF/LO OpenID is
>>> collected by the foundation's servers, the data is
>available to all,
>>> right?
>>
>> I think this is the way it works. Although, the foundation TDF does
>> represent all of us, collectively. Who then can you really trust any
>> better than yourself?
>>
>
>I was referring to the OpenID Foundation, not to TDF. And I
>was referring to the traffic data being available to all the
>OpenID members not to all TDF members. In any case TDF does
>not represent me since i'm not a member and i have not elected
>it's members :) I'm just a free user ;)
>
>
>Marc Paré wrote
>>
>>> I guess that if I stopped trusting Mozilla I would have to switch
>>> browser.
>>> ALL of my online information is typed on a browser
>programmed by Mozilla.
>>> Compared to that, only a small portion of the information is in the
>>> hands of Google (and that is why I deliberately don't use Chrome)
>>
>> Hmmm, Mozilla makes the bulk of its operating funds from the "Google
>> Search" window. So when you search from this window, I imagine that
>> Google is also (with the help of the Mozilla Group) listening in on
>> the search patterns of FF users.
>
>Yes, i'm aware that any search is logged, especially if i'm
>logged in to my Gmail account on any tab (which i avoid doing).
>But i was referring to the browser itself. I have to believe
>that the browser is not logging and sending what i type in my
>work's webmail or on my website's PMs or any other information
>typed on the main browser window. If i begin to doubt that,
>then i will enter into severe paranoia :)
>
>
>Marc Paré wrote
>>
>> Regardless of the method, there will always be a primary
>organism that
>> will collect the login/password data. In our case, the data
>we collect
>> would go towards making the site more accessible and more of a
>> fruitful event for our users. I don't believe at this point either
>> system is better or worse.
>>
>
>Of course having a single OpenID for all TDF sites would be a
>great improvement. But it would still be yet another set of
>login/password to memorize... And as i said having TDF as the
>primary organism gives me more confidence than any of the
>existing OpenID members. But i was referring to the concern of
>using a TDF OpenID on other sites and having that traffic
>information shared with to all OpenID corporate members.
>
>Cheers,
>Pedro
>
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