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B ug check - 4.2.4, editing Input fields is broken?

Hi all,

Before I go open a bug report, can someone check me?

This is for 4.2.4 on Windows (7 Pro sp1 64bit).

We have been using forms with Input fields on them since forever, and
these have always worked the same way.

You open a template, fill in the fields as prompted, then once they are
all filled in, if you want to go back and change one, you simply single
click on it and the field pops-open in edit mode just like it was when
you first filled it in, you make your changes, then click OK.

Now, there is no pop-up at all. I did finally notice that you can still
edit the filed once it has been clicked on by maneuvering the cursor,
but this is not very intuitive.

Is this change by design? If so, is there any way to go back to the old
behavior? This is very bad for our users, who modify these fields a lot.

Thanks,

Charles

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Re: Bug check - 4.2.4, editing Input fields is broken?

Anyone?

On 6/2/2014 4:36 PM, Tanstaafl <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Before I go open a bug report, can someone check me?
>
> This is for 4.2.4 on Windows (7 Pro sp1 64bit).
>
> We have been using forms with Input fields on them since forever, and
> these have always worked the same way.
>
> You open a template, fill in the fields as prompted, then once they are
> all filled in, if you want to go back and change one, you simply single
> click on it and the field pops-open in edit mode just like it was when
> you first filled it in, you make your changes, then click OK.
>
> Now, there is no pop-up at all. I did finally notice that you can still
> edit the filed once it has been clicked on by maneuvering the cursor,
> but this is not very intuitive.
>
> Is this change by design? If so, is there any way to go back to the old
> behavior? This is very bad for our users, who modify these fields a lot.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Charles
>


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Le 03/06/2014 15:39, Tanstaafl a écrit :

And these :

https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=75995

https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=76833

Alex


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Re: Bug check - 4.2.4, editing Input fields is broken?

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Le 03/06/2014 15:54, Alex Thurgood a écrit :
I think that Charles is talking about this bug
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75319
that behavior has been implemented because of the 68 requests in this one:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=33737

Cheers
Sophie
>
> Alex
>
>
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On 6/3/2014 9:54 AM, Alex Thurgood <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Le 03/06/2014 15:39, Tanstaafl a écrit :
>> Anyone?

> Seem to recall there's a bug report for this :
>
> https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=78470
>
> https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=74930
>
> https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59886
 >
> https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=61618

No, these are native .odt forms (originally created in Openoffice),
nothing to do with Microsoft formats, and not sure why you would make
such an assumption.

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On 6/3/2014 9:58 AM, Sophie <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I think that Charles is talking about this bug
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75319
> that behavior has been implemented because of the 68 requests in this one:
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=33737

If anyone else dislikes the new 'inline edit' method for editing Input
fields, please vote for my bug to add a preference to allow users to
choose between the two methods:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79877

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On 6/10/2014 7:52 AM, Tanstaafl <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 6/3/2014 9:58 AM, Sophie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I think that Charles is talking about this bug
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75319
>> that behavior has been implemented because of the 68 requests in this
>> one:
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=33737
>
> If anyone else dislikes the new 'inline edit' method for editing Input
> fields, please vote for my bug to add a preference to allow users to
> choose between the two methods:
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79877

Anyone know if there has been any movement on this bug that is
preventing anyone using Windows from being able to paste into Input
fields - a REGRESSION with respect to basic functionality that has
worked since FOREVER?

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Re: Bug check - 4.2.4, editing Input fields is broken?

Hi :)
Good timing!

Errr, is it still in the new branch 4.3.0?  Any chance of checking?

If not then maybe the fix could be back-ported to the stable branch?
Regards from
Tom :)



On 3 July 2014 14:43, Tanstaafl <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 6/10/2014 7:52 AM, Tanstaafl <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 6/3/2014 9:58 AM, Sophie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that Charles is talking about this bug
>>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75319
>>> that behavior has been implemented because of the 68 requests in this
>>> one:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=33737
>>>
>>
>> If anyone else dislikes the new 'inline edit' method for editing Input
>> fields, please vote for my bug to add a preference to allow users to
>> choose between the two methods:
>>
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79877
>>
>
> Anyone know if there has been any movement on this bug that is preventing
> anyone using Windows from being able to paste into Input fields - a
> REGRESSION with respect to basic functionality that has worked since
> FOREVER?
>
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On 06/03/2014 06:58 AM, Sophie wrote:

> Le 03/06/2014 15:54, Alex Thurgood a écrit :
>> Le 03/06/2014 15:39, Tanstaafl a écrit :
>>
>>
>>> Anyone?
>>>
>>
>> Seem to recall there's a bug report for this :
>>
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=78470
>>
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=74930
>>
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=59886
>>
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=61618
>
> I think that Charles is talking about this bug
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75319
> that behavior has been implemented because of the 68 requests in this one:
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=33737

And thank goodness for that!

It may now be possible to promote LO/AOO into police departments, public
entities etc., that currently use MS Word docs for this.
Also see:
<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=79720#c0>

10 years in the making :-)

>
> Cheers
> Sophie
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>
>



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On 07/03/2014 06:43 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 6/10/2014 7:52 AM, Tanstaafl <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 6/3/2014 9:58 AM, Sophie <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I think that Charles is talking about this bug
>>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=75319
>>> that behavior has been implemented because of the 68 requests in this
>>> one:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=33737
>>
>> If anyone else dislikes the new 'inline edit' method for editing Input
>> fields, please vote for my bug to add a preference to allow users to
>> choose between the two methods:
>>
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=79877
>
> Anyone know if there has been any movement on this bug that is
> preventing anyone using Windows from being able to paste into Input
> fields - a REGRESSION with respect to basic functionality that has
> worked since FOREVER?
>

I guess it depends whether you consider the ability to tab between
fields and fill in without a popup a regression. I consider the ability
to do so a 10 year leap forward. I am also able to paste into fields w/o
issue. The only thing I now have to figure out to use the keyboard to
show dropdown choices instead of having to use the touchpad or mouse.




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On 7/3/2014 10:56 PM, NoOp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I guess it depends whether you consider the ability to tab between
> fields and fill in without a popup a regression. I consider the ability
> to do so a 10 year leap forward. I am also able to paste into fields w/o
> issue. The only thing I now have to figure out to use the keyboard to
> show dropdown choices instead of having to use the touchpad or mouse.

NoOp, you totally miss the point.

this is not about the new behavior of being able to tab between the
fields... I actually like it.

It is about the TOTAL INABILITY to PASTE text into one of these fields,
something that we have been able to do since time immemorial.

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On 07/04/2014 05:11 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 7/3/2014 10:56 PM, NoOp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I guess it depends whether you consider the ability to tab between
>> fields and fill in without a popup a regression. I consider the ability
>> to do so a 10 year leap forward. I am also able to paste into fields w/o
>> issue. The only thing I now have to figure out to use the keyboard to
>> show dropdown choices instead of having to use the touchpad or mouse.
>
> NoOp, you totally miss the point.

Wouldn't be the first time :-)

>
> this is not about the new behavior of being able to tab between the
> fields... I actually like it.
>
> It is about the TOTAL INABILITY to PASTE text into one of these fields,
> something that we have been able to do since time immemorial.

I can paste into the fillable fields on the documents that I have been
testing. If you'd like to drop me a note directly I'd be happy to send
you the one that I've tested. Or you can send me a form that you cannot
past into. Note: I tested mine in Windows and Linux.




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On 7/3/2014 11:09 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi:)
> Good timing!
>
> Errr, is it still in the new branch 4.3.0?  Any chance of checking?

Just checked... bug is still there.

:(

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On 7/4/2014 7:48 PM, NoOp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I can paste into the fillable fields on the documents that I have been
> testing. If you'd like to drop me a note directly I'd be happy to send
> you the one that I've tested. Or you can send me a form that you cannot
> past into. Note: I tested mine in Windows and Linux.

The bug is:

1. affecting INPUT fields, and

2. is Windows only apparently

By all means, please send me a form that you claim has INPUT fields that
are pastable on Windows version of Libreoffice 4.2.5+.

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On 7/5/2014 3:08 PM, Tanstaafl <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 7/3/2014 11:09 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi:)
>> Good timing!
>>
>> Errr, is it still in the new branch 4.3.0?  Any chance of checking?
>
> Just checked... bug is still there.
>
> :(

So... I haven't had time to test yet - does anyone know if this bug was
fixed for the 4.3 release?

If not, then I seriously question the devs commitment to quality work.
This bug is a deal breaker, and is why we have, to this point, had to
entirely skip the 4.2 release branch.

And I'm still dealing with the ridiculous fact that Libreoffice is
completely and totally incapable of printing to Tabloid sized paper on
Windows.

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Hi Charles,
Le 30/07/2014 16:46, Tanstaafl a écrit :

> On 7/5/2014 3:08 PM, Tanstaafl <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 7/3/2014 11:09 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi:)
>>> Good timing!
>>>
>>> Errr, is it still in the new branch 4.3.0?  Any chance of checking?
>>
>> Just checked... bug is still there.
>>
>> :(
>
> So... I haven't had time to test yet - does anyone know if this bug was
> fixed for the 4.3 release?

If you visit the bug you'll see that it has not
>
> If not, then I seriously question the devs commitment to quality work.
> This bug is a deal breaker, and is why we have, to this point, had to
> entirely skip the 4.2 release branch.

May be because the companies hiring developers to work on LibreOffice
have their own bugs to deal with, you know how the ecosystem around our
suite works.
However, if you want to know more about what they are doing to improve
the quality of LibreOffice, I recommend you read:
https://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2014-07-29-under-the-hood-4-3.html
I think it answers your questions about quality commitment.
>
> And I'm still dealing with the ridiculous fact that Libreoffice is
> completely and totally incapable of printing to Tabloid sized paper on
> Windows.

Could you provide the bug number of this one?
Thanks
Kind regards
Sophie


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On 7/30/2014 11:01 AM, Sophie <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Charles,
> Le 30/07/2014 16:46, Tanstaafl a écrit :
>> And I'm still dealing with the ridiculous fact that Libreoffice is
>> completely and totally incapable of printing to Tabloid sized paper on
>> Windows.
>
> Could you provide the bug number of this one?

Sure:
https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=65205

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On 7/30/2014 11:01 AM, Sophie <[hidden email]> wrote:
> However, if you want to know more about what they are doing to improve
> the quality of LibreOffice, I recommend you read:
> https://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2014-07-29-under-the-hood-4-3.html
> I think it answers your questions about quality commitment.

Awesome sounding stuff - but again, all related to builds that we are
unable to use due to the bug in question.

:(

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