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LO 6.3.4.2 on Xubuntu 18.04, up to date. LO is downloaded from LO, not
from Ubuntu repositories.

I have a graphic on a page in Writer. The graphic is about 4cm wide and
about 10cm high, so I have aligned it left and set contour to wrap
right so that the text will flow down on the right of the graphic. This
works, but the text is smashed into the side of the graphic. To fix
this I tried Wrap > Edit Contour. The palette opens, but none of the
options does anything. For example, I selected the rectangle, and when
I try to draw a rectangle in the palette with the mouse, nothing
happens. Ditto for all the other tools.

The graphic was a PNG, so I converted it to a JPG just in case that was
the problem, but no change. I still can't change the contour for the
text wrap.

Suggestions?

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Robert Großkopf Robert Großkopf
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Hi John,
>
> I have a graphic on a page in Writer. The graphic is about 4cm wide and
> about 10cm high, so I have aligned it left and set contour to wrap
> right so that the text will flow down on the right of the graphic. This
> works, but the text is smashed into the side of the graphic. To fix
> this I tried Wrap > Edit Contour. The palette opens, but none of the
> options does anything. For example, I selected the rectangle, and when
> I try to draw a rectangle in the palette with the mouse, nothing
> happens. Ditto for all the other tools.

Have tested this: Opened Wrap → Edit Contour. Clicked on "Edit Points".
Could move the points, could delete points. It's working here with LO
6.4.4.2 and also LO 6.3.5.2 on OpenSUSE 15.1 64bit rpm Linux. Packages
from LO directly.

Regards

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On 2020-06-11 00:06, John Jason Jordan wrote:
> ...
> I have a graphic on a page in Writer. The graphic is about 4cm wide and
> about 10cm high, so I have aligned it left and set contour to wrap
> right so that the text will flow down on the right of the graphic. This
> works, but the text is smashed into the side of the graphic. To fix
> this I tried Wrap > Edit Contour. ...

If this is a simple rectangle (4x10), what happens when you just uncheck "Contour" and set Spacing:Right to whatever you want?
(To begin, ignore Left, Top, Bottom, or just set them to 0.)


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On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 12:53:41 -0400
John Kaufmann <[hidden email]> dijo:

>On 2020-06-11 00:06, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>> ...
>> I have a graphic on a page in Writer. The graphic is about 4cm wide
>> and about 10cm high, so I have aligned it left and set contour to
>> wrap right so that the text will flow down on the right of the
>> graphic. This works, but the text is smashed into the side of the
>> graphic. To fix this I tried Wrap > Edit Contour. ...
>
>If this is a simple rectangle (4x10), what happens when you just
>uncheck "Contour" and set Spacing:Right to whatever you want? (To
>begin, ignore Left, Top, Bottom, or just set them to 0.)

Thanks to everyone who replied, but nothing has worked.

It might help if I explain that the graphic is a set of three ancient
alphabets, each in its own column, with a fourth column containing a
transcription to a modern Roman character. All the characters,
including the fourth column are bitmaps; there is no 'text' as such
anywhere in the graphic. And it would be impossible to recreate it as a
table with text because the ancient characters don't exist in any font;
they were created from photographs of archeological materials.

I obtained this graphic originally as a PNG. When I couldn't adjust the
contour I used the GIMP to export it as a JPG, but that also failed.
Finally, I exported it as an EPS, but still no luck. Changing the
anchor to paragraph, page, or character makes no difference.

When I try to adjust the contour with the PNG or the JPG I see a faint
line around the right and left edges of the characters. The line jumps
in and out a bit, as the characters are all different, and the line
ultimately forms a sort of 'bounding box' encompassing all the
characters in the graphic. I can select this bounding box and even drag
it around, and I can also delete it. But I cannot change its size or
shape. And I have no idea what it is - no 'handles' on it. I can also
select the entire graphic in the edit contour window, which then gives
me a perfectly rectangular item with handles. But I can't do anything
with it - I can't move it, resize it, or change it in any way.

If I use the EPS version of the graphic there is no bounding box. I
can't select anything.

With any of the three versions of the graphic I tried all the tools in
the edit contour window, but none of them allow me to do anything
except the 'select point' tool. That allows me to select the entire
bounding box, which looks like it has a point at the rightmost and
leftmost of each character, but I can't do anything with any of the
points. All I can do is select all of them and stare at them.

The edit contour window also has a scroll box with '10%' in it as the
default. I tried setting it to different percentages, but I can't find
any way to make them cause any changes. The Help files don't mention
this scroll box, so I don't know what it is for. In fact, the Help file
doesn't say anything about any of the tools in the window.

I think this is a bug. In the meantime, in order to get the job done I
created a second blank graphic frame about 1cm wide and the same height
as my graphic and placed it immediately to the right of my graphic.
After setting text wrap to right for the new, blank graphic the text is
no longer smashed into the main graphic.

But there's something seriously wrong with the way the edit contour
window works, or fails to work.

I could upload my graphic if this list can take an attachment.

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At 21:06 10/06/2020 -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>I have a graphic on a page in Writer. [...] I have aligned it left
>and set contour to wrap right so that the text will flow down on the
>right of the graphic. This works, but the text is smashed into the
>side of the graphic.

If you go to the Wrap tab of the Image dialogue (Format | Image |
Properties | Wrap or right-click | Properties | Wrap), do you not see
Spacing? Increase Right to some suitable positive value.

I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Robert Großkopf Robert Großkopf
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Hi John,

one hint: *.jpg can't contain transparent background. The contur is
mostly set to this transparent background. I would prefer to change the
background in the *.png to transparaent background to see how contur
should work automatically.

You are using LO 6.3.4.2. LO 6.3 has had end of life at the end of last
month. So if it is a bug you will be asked first to reproduce it in LO
6.4.4.2.

You could send me the graphic (and also a document, where you tested)
per private mail.

Regards

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On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:31:39 +0100
Brian Barker <[hidden email]> dijo:

>At 21:06 10/06/2020 -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>>I have a graphic on a page in Writer. [...] I have aligned it left
>>and set contour to wrap right so that the text will flow down on the
>>right of the graphic. This works, but the text is smashed into the
>>side of the graphic.
>
>If you go to the Wrap tab of the Image dialogue (Format | Image |
>Properties | Wrap or right-click | Properties | Wrap), do you not see
>Spacing? Increase Right to some suitable positive value.

Aha! A completely different way to solve the problem. The Edit Contour
option still does not work - can't select or do anything. But this
solution worked, and probably a lot easier than trying to edit the
contour. I had the Properties window open numerous times, but
completely missed the Wrap tab.

Thanks!

Also, in poking around I note that there is a new version of LO
available. I hate programs that come out with new versions every couple
of months. Instead of installing it I think I'm going to uninstall this
6.3.4.2 and install LO from the Ubuntu repositories. That won't get
updated so often.

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Hi John,
>
> Also, in poking around I note that there is a new version of LO
> available. I hate programs that come out with new versions every couple
> of months. Instead of installing it I think I'm going to uninstall this
> 6.3.4.2 and install LO from the Ubuntu repositories. That won't get
> updated so often.

Then hope they will fix the security-bug for Writer-forms, which is only
fixed in LO 6.4.4.2 and in no earlier version.

Regards

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On 2020-06-11 17:32, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:31:39 +0100
> Brian Barker <[hidden email]> dijo:
>
>> At 21:06 10/06/2020 -0700, John Jason Jordan wrote:
>>> I have a graphic on a page in Writer. [...] I have aligned it left
>>> and set contour to wrap right so that the text will flow down on the
>>> right of the graphic. This works, but the text is smashed into the
>>> side of the graphic.
>>
>> If you go to the Wrap tab of the Image dialogue (Format | Image |
>> Properties | Wrap or right-click | Properties | Wrap), do you not see
>> Spacing? Increase Right to some suitable positive value.
>
> Aha! A completely different way to solve the problem. The Edit Contour
> option still does not work - can't select or do anything. But this
> solution worked, and probably a lot easier than trying to edit the
> contour. I had the Properties window open numerous times, but
> completely missed the Wrap tab.

:-) Maybe the fact that it seems to be "a completely different way" is a problem: Actually, what Brian said was what I meant:

>>> ...
>>> I have a graphic on a page in Writer. The graphic is about 4cm wide
>>> and about 10cm high, so I have aligned it left and set contour to
>>> wrap right so that the text will flow down on the right of the
>>> graphic. This works, but the text is smashed into the side of the
>>> graphic. To fix this I tried Wrap > Edit Contour. ...
>>
>> If this is a simple rectangle (4x10), what happens when you just
>> uncheck "Contour" and set Spacing:Right to whatever you want? (To
>> begin, ignore Left, Top, Bottom, or just set them to 0.)

Brian's gift [I have long admired his gift for simple clarity] was to realize that you were not looking at the Image Properties dialog box, and point you to it, and from there to the Wrap tab. My mistake was to assume you were already there, and just needed to forget about the Contour. It strikes me as a defect to be corrected, that two entry points bring you to different ways, with different capabilities, to set the wrap characteristics. I will star this thread to tag for a bug report.


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