Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

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Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

Giro per conoscenza.

Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
tramite la Translate extension.

Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.

Ciaociao :)



-------- Messaggio Inoltrato --------
Oggetto: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki:
call for help
Data: Thu, 16 May 2019 19:13:26 +0300
Mittente: Ilmari Lauhakangas <[hidden email]>
A: [hidden email]



Hello teams,

as you may know, we are slowly moving to a new wiki translation workflow
provided by Translate extension. It offers an experience familiar to us
from Pootle and similar systems: translation memory, immediate display
of outdated content etc. It is a robust system, having seen 14 years of
development.

I thought it would be a crucial step in the migration to stop luring
people into creating new translations with the old system. I went
through lots of pages that use the OrigLang template and removed it from
pages without translations (using a semi-automated technique with
JavaScript). A complete list of pages with OrigLang is here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:OrigLang

It then occurred to me that tackling pages with a single translation
would be the easiest next step. This email is my call for help to these
teams: Arabic, Chinese (simplified), Czech, Danish, French, German,
Italian, Japanese, Portuguese (Brazil), Russian, Spanish and Turkish. At
the end on this email I have included a selection of pages with only a
single translation, grouped by language. I have curated the lists,
skipping some obsolete stuff, but they are not 100% combed through.

The lists were produced by taking every entry from here
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Lang 
finding the unique ones with some shell scripting and sorting with
trusty old Calc at the very end.

Here is a tutorial on using Translate extension on a page:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example

Adding this element will render a language menu:
<languages />
In the future, we could skip adding the element, though:
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2882

The old translations are not lost, when a page is modified to use the
new translation system. You can migrate the old ones using this tool:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration

On a page using the new system, after you update the content you will
see a notice at the top of the page: "This page has changes since it was
last marked for translation". Click the link "marked for translation",
review the displayed changes and click the button "Mark this version for
translation" found at the end of the page.

Here you can see all the pages currently using the new system:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation

Feel free to contact me in public or private in case of any questions.

Ilmari

List of wiki pages with a single translation (do snip it from any replies):

Arabic:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors

Chinese (simplified):
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Color_blindness_issues
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/LibORelease
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Linux

Czech:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks

Danish:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/148
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Vanilla_for_Mac
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Bibisectzilla
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Implementation

French:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Advisories
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Dictionaries
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/fix_odp_fdo71428
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/How_to_create
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/001
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/011
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/012
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/013
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/014
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/015
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/016
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/017
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/020
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/022
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/118
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/136
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/137
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/138
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/139
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/140
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/141
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/146
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/148
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/How_to_connect_to_a_Microsoft_Access_database
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/003
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/008
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/009
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/011
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/014
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/019
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/023
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/041
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/112
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/117
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/120
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/121
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/127
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/129
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/133
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/134
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/147
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/148
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/001
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/016
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/106
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/107
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/108
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/109
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/110
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/111
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/112
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/113
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/114
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/115
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/116
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/117
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/103
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/110
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/112
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/117
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/144
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/145
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/146
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/149
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/150
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Impress/018
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Impress/109
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/008
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/009
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/010
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/011
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/014
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/016
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/017
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/018
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/019
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/020
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/101
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/102
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/006
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/039
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/043
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/100
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/106
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/118
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/119
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/120
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/121
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/129
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/133
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/141
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/143
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/144
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/149
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/153
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/164
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/172
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Infra/Services
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_Print
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/001
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/002
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/003
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/004
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/005
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/001
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/002
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/003
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/004
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/005
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/006
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/007
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/008
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/009
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/010
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/011
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/012
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/013
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/014
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/015
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Draw
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Draw/001
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/001
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/002
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/003
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/004
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/005
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/006
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/007
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/008
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Math
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Guide/IDE
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/001
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/002
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/003
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/004
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/005
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/006
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/007
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/008
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Wallpapers
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Subsequenttests
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Base
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Calc
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Draw
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/General
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Impress
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Writer

German:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Ask
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Ask/FAQs
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Base/HSQLDB_Guide
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BASIC
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingForAndroid
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Bezierkurven
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/ConfCalls
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2016
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Berlin2012_Conference
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions_From_Other_Repositories
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/HSQLFunctions
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/History
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_support_of_LibreOffice/German
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_basic
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_create-iso
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_discuss
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/isobuild
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_Issues
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_KMeleon
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_QA
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_Release-Plan
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_Software
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_Test
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_todo
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/Updating_using_zsync
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/work
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de-discuss
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de-users
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-design
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-documentation
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-l10n
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-marketing
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-website
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2012
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2012/press_release
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2013
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2014
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2016
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Didacta2014
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Work_Items
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReportDiscuss
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTrace
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Improving_QA-Release-3.5
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Base
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Writer
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/LibreOfficeAccountPolicy
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Test_LibreOffice
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Touch_LibreOffice
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3.6
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Video_Tutorials
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Silverstripe

Italian:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/Features
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Role/Invite
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/MailAccounts

Japanese:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Cpp_Unit_Tests
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GetInvolved
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_build/localized
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Windows/Help
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UI_and_Help_files_Content_Guide

Portuguese (Brazil):
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingIOnMac
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/gerrit/PatchReview
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_build/Hacking_configure.in
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Math
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FromCommunity
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2011/Latinoware
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012/FISL
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2013/FISL
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos/2011
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos/2011/Bits
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos/2011/Consegi
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos/2011/CP
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/AddPics
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/CoGrOO
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/CopyVisiCells
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/CopyVisiCells/Use
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/CpfCnpj
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/Edidoc
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/Edidoc/Development
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/FixedValues
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/Numbertext
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/NumeroPorExtenso
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/NumExtenso
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/NumExtenso/Development
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/ScTamLetra
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Config
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_3.6_-_Microsoft_Office_2010
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/License_Policy
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Guide
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Issues
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/IssuesLibOMag
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Production
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Production/Edição21
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Repository
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Translation
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Advisory_Board

Russian:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ESC
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Impress/Remote
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Help
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Help_Content
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Errors
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Mac
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/200
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel/OS_X
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel/Start_script
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Migrations
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LOWN
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LOWN/5
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHuntingSession/Organization
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Chart
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Database
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Drawing
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Impress_Remote
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Presentation
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Printing_and_PDF_export
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Spreadsheet
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/UI
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Writer
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/FAQ
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Keywords
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Severity
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Status/NEEDINFO
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Status/RESOLVED
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/IRC
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Mailing_List
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Feature_Tests
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Server_Install_GUI

Spanish:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Accessibility
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Members
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_build
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/003
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Document_Freedom_Day
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Members
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Smart_font_optional_features_for_Graphite_and_OpenType_fonts
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/OpenID

Turkish:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Working_Groups
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Mailing_List
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Environment_variables
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GetInvolved/DeveloperStepByStep/javapython
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Fligran
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReport/Attachments
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Statistics

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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

Ciao Luca.
Appena finisco la pagina wiki in corso, ti dico del nuovo sistema.
Grazie.

Il giorno sab 18 mag 2019 alle ore 01:12 Luca Daghino @ Libero
<[hidden email]> ha scritto:

>
> Giro per conoscenza.
>
> Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
> tramite la Translate extension.
>
> Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
> sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.
>
> Ciaociao :)
>
>
>
> -------- Messaggio Inoltrato --------
> Oggetto:        [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki:
> call for help
> Data:   Thu, 16 May 2019 19:13:26 +0300
> Mittente:       Ilmari Lauhakangas <[hidden email]>
> A:      [hidden email]
>
>
>
> Hello teams,
>
> as you may know, we are slowly moving to a new wiki translation workflow
> provided by Translate extension. It offers an experience familiar to us
> from Pootle and similar systems: translation memory, immediate display
> of outdated content etc. It is a robust system, having seen 14 years of
> development.
>
> I thought it would be a crucial step in the migration to stop luring
> people into creating new translations with the old system. I went
> through lots of pages that use the OrigLang template and removed it from
> pages without translations (using a semi-automated technique with
> JavaScript). A complete list of pages with OrigLang is here:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:OrigLang
>
> It then occurred to me that tackling pages with a single translation
> would be the easiest next step. This email is my call for help to these
> teams: Arabic, Chinese (simplified), Czech, Danish, French, German,
> Italian, Japanese, Portuguese (Brazil), Russian, Spanish and Turkish. At
> the end on this email I have included a selection of pages with only a
> single translation, grouped by language. I have curated the lists,
> skipping some obsolete stuff, but they are not 100% combed through.
>
> The lists were produced by taking every entry from here
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Lang
> finding the unique ones with some shell scripting and sorting with
> trusty old Calc at the very end.
>
> Here is a tutorial on using Translate extension on a page:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example
>
> Adding this element will render a language menu:
> <languages />
> In the future, we could skip adding the element, though:
> https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2882
>
> The old translations are not lost, when a page is modified to use the
> new translation system. You can migrate the old ones using this tool:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration
>
> On a page using the new system, after you update the content you will
> see a notice at the top of the page: "This page has changes since it was
> last marked for translation". Click the link "marked for translation",
> review the displayed changes and click the button "Mark this version for
> translation" found at the end of the page.
>
> Here you can see all the pages currently using the new system:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation
>
> Feel free to contact me in public or private in case of any questions.
>
> Ilmari
>
> List of wiki pages with a single translation (do snip it from any replies):
>
> Arabic:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors
>
> Chinese (simplified):
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Color_blindness_issues
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/LibORelease
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Linux
>
> Czech:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks
>
> Danish:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/148
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Vanilla_for_Mac
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Bibisectzilla
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Implementation
>
> French:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Advisories
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Dictionaries
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/fix_odp_fdo71428
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/How_to_create
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/001
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/011
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/012
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/013
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/015
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/016
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/017
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/020
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/022
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/118
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/136
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/137
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/138
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/139
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/140
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/141
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/146
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/148
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/How_to_connect_to_a_Microsoft_Access_database
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/003
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/008
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/009
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/011
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/019
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/023
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/041
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/112
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/117
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/120
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/121
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/127
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/129
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/133
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/134
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/147
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/148
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/001
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/016
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/106
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/107
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/108
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/109
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/110
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/111
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/112
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/113
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/114
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/115
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/116
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/117
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/103
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/110
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/112
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/117
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/144
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/145
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/146
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/149
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/150
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Impress/018
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Impress/109
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/008
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/009
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/010
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/011
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/016
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/017
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/018
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/019
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/020
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/101
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/102
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/006
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/039
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/043
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/100
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/106
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/118
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/119
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/120
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/121
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/129
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/133
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/141
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/143
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/144
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/149
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/153
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/164
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/172
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Infra/Services
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_Print
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/001
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/002
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/003
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/004
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Base/005
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/001
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/002
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/003
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/004
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/005
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/006
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/007
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/008
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/009
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/010
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/011
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/012
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/013
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/015
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Draw
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Draw/001
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/001
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/002
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/003
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/004
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/005
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/006
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/007
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/General/008
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Math
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Python_Guide/IDE
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/001
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/002
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/003
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/004
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/005
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/006
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/007
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Writer/008
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Wallpapers
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Subsequenttests
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Base
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Calc
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Draw
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/General
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Impress
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Writer
>
> German:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Ask
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Ask/FAQs
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Base/HSQLDB_Guide
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BASIC
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingForAndroid
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Bezierkurven
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/ConfCalls
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2016
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Berlin2012_Conference
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions_From_Other_Repositories
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/HSQLFunctions
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/History
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_support_of_LibreOffice/German
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_basic
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_create-iso
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_discuss
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/isobuild
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_Issues
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_KMeleon
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_QA
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_Release-Plan
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_Software
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_Test
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_todo
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/Updating_using_zsync
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/work
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de-discuss
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de-users
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-design
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-documentation
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-l10n
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-marketing
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-website
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2012
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2012/press_release
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2013
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2016
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Didacta2014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Work_Items
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReportDiscuss
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTrace
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Improving_QA-Release-3.5
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Base
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Writer
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/LibreOfficeAccountPolicy
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Test_LibreOffice
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Touch_LibreOffice
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3.6
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Video_Tutorials
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/Silverstripe
>
> Italian:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/Features
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Role/Invite
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/MailAccounts
>
> Japanese:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Cpp_Unit_Tests
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GetInvolved
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_build/localized
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Windows/Help
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UI_and_Help_files_Content_Guide
>
> Portuguese (Brazil):
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/BuildingIOnMac
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/gerrit/PatchReview
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_build/Hacking_configure.in
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Math
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/FromCommunity
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2011/Latinoware
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2012/FISL
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2013/FISL
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos/2011
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos/2011/Bits
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos/2011/Consegi
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/Fotos/2011/CP
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/AddPics
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/CoGrOO
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/CopyVisiCells
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/CopyVisiCells/Use
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/CpfCnpj
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/Edidoc
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/Edidoc/Development
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/FixedValues
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/Numbertext
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/NumeroPorExtenso
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/NumExtenso
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/NumExtenso/Development
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/Projects/ScTamLetra
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Config
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_3.6_-_Microsoft_Office_2010
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/License_Policy
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Guide
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Issues
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/IssuesLibOMag
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Production
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Production/Edição21
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Repository
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/Translation
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Advisory_Board
>
> Russian:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/ESC
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Impress/Remote
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Help
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Help_Content
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Errors
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Mac
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/200
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/FindTheExpert
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel/OS_X
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel/Start_script
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Migrations
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LOWN
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LOWN/5
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHuntingSession/Organization
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Chart
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Database
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Drawing
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Impress_Remote
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Presentation
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Printing_and_PDF_export
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Spreadsheet
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/UI
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Components/Writer
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/FAQ
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Keywords
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Severity
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Status/NEEDINFO
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bugzilla/Fields/Status/RESOLVED
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/IRC
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Mailing_List
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Feature_Tests
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Server_Install_GUI
>
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Accessibility
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Members
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/How_to_build
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/NotebookBar
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Document_Freedom_Day
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Members
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Smart_font_optional_features_for_Graphite_and_OpenType_fonts
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>
> Turkish:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Working_Groups
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Mailing_List
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Environment_variables
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GetInvolved/DeveloperStepByStep/javapython
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Ankara2016
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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

In reply to this post by Luca Daghino @ Libero
Il 18/05/19 01:12, Luca Daghino @ Libero ha scritto:
> Giro per conoscenza.
>
> Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
> tramite la Translate extension.
>
> Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
> sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.

Ciao

ho dato uno sguardo veloce e sembra ottimo per le traduzioni, c'è da
studiarci un pochino sopra :)
Con questo sistema si dovrebbe dare un'accelerazione al lavoro :)

>
> -------- Messaggio Inoltrato --------
> Oggetto:     [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the
> wiki: call for help
> Data:     Thu, 16 May 2019 19:13:26 +0300
> Mittente:     Ilmari Lauhakangas <[hidden email]>
> A:     [hidden email]
>
>
>
> Hello teams,
>
> as you may know, we are slowly moving to a new wiki translation workflow
> provided by Translate extension. It offers an experience familiar to us
> from Pootle and similar systems: translation memory, immediate display
> of outdated content etc. It is a robust system, having seen 14 years of
> development.
>
> I thought it would be a crucial step in the migration to stop luring
> people into creating new translations with the old system. I went
> through lots of pages that use the OrigLang template and removed it from
> pages without translations (using a semi-automated technique with
> JavaScript). A complete list of pages with OrigLang is here:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:OrigLang
>
> It then occurred to me that tackling pages with a single translation
> would be the easiest next step. This email is my call for help to these
> teams: Arabic, Chinese (simplified), Czech, Danish, French, German,
> Italian, Japanese, Portuguese (Brazil), Russian, Spanish and Turkish. At
> the end on this email I have included a selection of pages with only a
> single translation, grouped by language. I have curated the lists,
> skipping some obsolete stuff, but they are not 100% combed through.
>
> The lists were produced by taking every entry from here
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Lang 
> finding the unique ones with some shell scripting and sorting with
> trusty old Calc at the very end.
>
> Here is a tutorial on using Translate extension on a page:
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example 
>
>
> Adding this element will render a language menu:
> <languages />
> In the future, we could skip adding the element, though:
> https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2882
>
> The old translations are not lost, when a page is modified to use the
> new translation system. You can migrate the old ones using this tool:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration
>
> On a page using the new system, after you update the content you will
> see a notice at the top of the page: "This page has changes since it was
> last marked for translation". Click the link "marked for translation",
> review the displayed changes and click the button "Mark this version for
> translation" found at the end of the page.
>
> Here you can see all the pages currently using the new system:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation
>
> Feel free to contact me in public or private in case of any questions.
>
> Ilmari
>
> List of wiki pages with a single translation (do snip it from any replies):
>
> Arabic:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors
>
> Chinese (simplified):
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Color_blindness_issues
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/LibORelease
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Linux
>
> Czech:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Development/UserGuideTasks 
>
>
> Danish:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/148
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Vanilla_for_Mac
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Bibisectzilla
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Bibisect/Implementation
>
> French:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Advisories
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Dictionaries
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GSoC/Ideas
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/HowTo/fix_odp_fdo71428
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Extensions/How_to_create
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/001
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/011
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/012
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/013
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/015
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/016
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/017
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/020
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/022
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/118
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/136
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/137
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/138
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/139
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/140
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/141
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/146
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/148
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Base/How_to_connect_to_a_Microsoft_Access_database 
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/003
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/008
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/009
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/011
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/019
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/023
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/041
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/112
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/117
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/120
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/121
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/127
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/129
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/133
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/134
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/147
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Calc/148
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/001
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/016
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/106
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/107
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/108
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/109
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/110
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/111
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/112
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/113
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/114
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/115
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/116
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Draw/117
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/103
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/110
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/112
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/117
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/144
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/145
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/146
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/149
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/150
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Impress/018
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/011
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/016
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/017
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/018
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/019
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Math/020
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/106
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/118
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/119
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/149
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/153
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/Writer/172
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_Print
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/005
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Calc/007
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Macros/Math
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/General
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Impress
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Videos/Writer
>
> German:
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BASIC
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2016
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/isobuild
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_KMeleon
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de-discuss
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/de-users
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-design
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-documentation 
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-l10n
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/libreoffice-marketing 
>
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>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2013
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/CeBIT2016
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Didacta2014
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Work_Items
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugReportDiscuss
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Improving_QA-Release-3.5
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Base
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Writer
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>
> Italian:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box/Features
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Role/Invite
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Website/MailAccounts
>
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/EasyHacks
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/GetInvolved
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Windows/Help
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/EventsCalendar
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/UI_and_Help_files_Content_Guide
>
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>
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> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Advisory_Board
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>
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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

In reply to this post by manuel frassinetti
Il 20/05/19 08:17, manuel frassinetti ha scritto:
> Ciao Luca.
> Appena finisco la pagina wiki in corso, ti dico del nuovo sistema.
> Grazie.

Ok, avendo del tempo disponibile, ho provato a eseguire le istruzioni
riportate qui:

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example/it

su questa pagina (che è vecchiotta ed era tradotta parzialmente):

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it

Ora è attivata per la traduzione e si dovrebbe poter procedere :)

Manuel, se vuoi dare uno sguardo alla pagina per vedere se ok, così
almeno so sto procedendo bene. Ovviamente è ancora da tradurre.

Grazie, ciao!

>
> Il giorno sab 18 mag 2019 alle ore 01:12 Luca Daghino @ Libero
> <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
>>
>> Giro per conoscenza.
>>
>> Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
>> tramite la Translate extension.
>>
>> Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
>> sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.
>>
>> Ciaociao :)
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Messaggio Inoltrato --------
>> Oggetto:        [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki:
>> call for help
>> Data:   Thu, 16 May 2019 19:13:26 +0300
>> Mittente:       Ilmari Lauhakangas <[hidden email]>
>> A:      [hidden email]
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello teams,
>>
>> as you may know, we are slowly moving to a new wiki translation workflow
>> provided by Translate extension. It offers an experience familiar to us
>> from Pootle and similar systems: translation memory, immediate display
>> of outdated content etc. It is a robust system, having seen 14 years of
>> development.
>>
>> I thought it would be a crucial step in the migration to stop luring
>> people into creating new translations with the old system. I went
>> through lots of pages that use the OrigLang template and removed it from
>> pages without translations (using a semi-automated technique with
>> JavaScript). A complete list of pages with OrigLang is here:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:OrigLang
>>
>> It then occurred to me that tackling pages with a single translation
>> would be the easiest next step. This email is my call for help to these
>> teams: Arabic, Chinese (simplified), Czech, Danish, French, German,
>> Italian, Japanese, Portuguese (Brazil), Russian, Spanish and Turkish. At
>> the end on this email I have included a selection of pages with only a
>> single translation, grouped by language. I have curated the lists,
>> skipping some obsolete stuff, but they are not 100% combed through.
>>
>> The lists were produced by taking every entry from here
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Lang
>> finding the unique ones with some shell scripting and sorting with
>> trusty old Calc at the very end.
>>
>> Here is a tutorial on using Translate extension on a page:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example
>>
>> Adding this element will render a language menu:
>> <languages />
>> In the future, we could skip adding the element, though:
>> https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/2882
>>
>> The old translations are not lost, when a page is modified to use the
>> new translation system. You can migrate the old ones using this tool:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration
>>
>> On a page using the new system, after you update the content you will
>> see a notice at the top of the page: "This page has changes since it was
>> last marked for translation". Click the link "marked for translation",
>> review the displayed changes and click the button "Mark this version for
>> translation" found at the end of the page.
>>
>> Here you can see all the pages currently using the new system:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation
>>
>> Feel free to contact me in public or private in case of any questions.
>>
>> Ilmari
>>
>> List of wiki pages with a single translation (do snip it from any replies):
>>
>> Arabic:
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Mentors
>>
>> Chinese (simplified):
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Color_blindness_issues
>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams
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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

In reply to this post by Valter Mura
Il 22/05/19 12:15, Valter Mura ha scritto:

> Il 18/05/19 01:12, Luca Daghino @ Libero ha scritto:
>> Giro per conoscenza.
>>
>> Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
>> tramite la Translate extension.
>>
>> Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
>> sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.
>
> Ciao
>
> ho dato uno sguardo veloce e sembra ottimo per le traduzioni, c'è da
> studiarci un pochino sopra :)
> Con questo sistema si dovrebbe dare un'accelerazione al lavoro :)
>

Ciao,
ho dato anch'io una rapida occhiata e mi pare un sistema valido, se puoi
viene adottato dai gruppi di localizzazione per tutte le lingue, credo
sia necessario adeguarsi.

Vorrei mettermi con un attimo di calma, per capire come si fa ad
importare le pagine già tradotte.

Valter, la pagina che hai attivato per la traduzione:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
ti risulta che fosse già tradotta in italiano?
Dalla richiesta arrivata sembrerebbe di si.
A loro dire le traduzioni già fatte si dovrebbero poter importare, hai
provato ad usare lo strumento di importazione?
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration

Parlando invece delle pagine wiki da revisionare elencate nel foglio di
ripartizione del carico di lavoro, continuiamo con il vecchio metodo?

Con OmegaT, ne ho fatte diverse in locale, che poi ho riportato sul wiki
ed ho trovato un workflow che mi consente di andare abbastanza spedito.
Prima, usando Strumenti -> Allinea, mi credo la tmx dalla traduzione già
fatta e poi procedo con la revisione avendo già la versione precedente
della traduzione.
Se volete preparo una descrizione passo passo di questa procedura, utile
anche per altri documenti, non solo per il wiki.
Ora dovrei fare anche un merge delle tmx, che ho creato in questo modo e
caricarle a beneficio di tutti.

A presto, ciao.


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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

Il 22/05/19 14:54, Marco Marega ha scritto:

> Il 22/05/19 12:15, Valter Mura ha scritto:
>> Il 18/05/19 01:12, Luca Daghino @ Libero ha scritto:
>>> Giro per conoscenza.
>>>
>>> Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
>>> tramite la Translate extension.
>>>
>>> Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
>>> sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.
>>
>> Ciao
>>
>> ho dato uno sguardo veloce e sembra ottimo per le traduzioni, c'è da
>> studiarci un pochino sopra :)
>> Con questo sistema si dovrebbe dare un'accelerazione al lavoro :)
>>
>
> Ciao,
> ho dato anch'io una rapida occhiata e mi pare un sistema valido, se puoi
> viene adottato dai gruppi di localizzazione per tutte le lingue, credo
> sia necessario adeguarsi.
>
> Vorrei mettermi con un attimo di calma, per capire come si fa ad
> importare le pagine già tradotte.
>
> Valter, la pagina che hai attivato per la traduzione:
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
> ti risulta che fosse già tradotta in italiano?
> Dalla richiesta arrivata sembrerebbe di si.

Ciao Marco,scusa il ritardissimo nella risposta.

Sì, la pagina era già tradotta, ma solo in parte. Essendo una vecchia
pagina di quattro anni fa, mi sono permesso di cancellarla (stupidamente
non ho pensato di salvare il contenuto, ma erano i dettagli di un evento
vecchio). Un pochino di lavoro in più per chi la tradurrà (nel caso lo
farò io)

> A loro dire le traduzioni già fatte si dovrebbero poter importare, hai
> provato ad usare lo strumento di importazione?
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration

No, era una prova veloce per vedere se funzionava la creazione delle
pagine da tradurre

>
> Parlando invece delle pagine wiki da revisionare elencate nel foglio di
> ripartizione del carico di lavoro, continuiamo con il vecchio metodo?

Direi di sì. Col nuovo metodo si lavorerà solo sulle pagine ancora non
tradotte.

>
> Con OmegaT, ne ho fatte diverse in locale, che poi ho riportato sul wiki
> ed ho trovato un workflow che mi consente di andare abbastanza spedito.
> Prima, usando Strumenti -> Allinea, mi credo la tmx dalla traduzione già
> fatta e poi procedo con la revisione avendo già la versione precedente
> della traduzione.
> Se volete preparo una descrizione passo passo di questa procedura, utile
> anche per altri documenti, non solo per il wiki.
> Ora dovrei fare anche un merge delle tmx, che ho creato in questo modo e
> caricarle a beneficio di tutti.

Ovviamente! Bravo Marco, sei il nostro eroe :) :)

>
> A presto, ciao.
>
>

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Ciao Valter e scusa il ritardo per la risposta.
Ma ho un matrimonio da mettere in piedi e sono un po' preso.
Ho guardato velocemente.
La pagina propone correttamente la traduzione, ma nonostante tutto il
problema è che pur avendo creato la pagina
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it
mi dice che però la pagina IT non è creata, bisognerebbe provare con esporta?
Anche se nel menu delle internazionalizzazioni mi da it/it mentre
dovrebbe darmi solo Day/it
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it/it
segnala come non esistente.
Lunedì proverò a tradurre qualcosa ed esportare per vedere cosa dice.
Ciao

L'idea del tool per fare la migrazione delle pagine già tradotte e
ancora da verificare.
Vediamo se io o Marco fa la prova.

Ciao

Il giorno sab 25 mag 2019 alle ore 20:54 Valter Mura
<[hidden email]> ha scritto:

>
> Il 22/05/19 14:54, Marco Marega ha scritto:
> > Il 22/05/19 12:15, Valter Mura ha scritto:
> >> Il 18/05/19 01:12, Luca Daghino @ Libero ha scritto:
> >>> Giro per conoscenza.
> >>>
> >>> Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
> >>> tramite la Translate extension.
> >>>
> >>> Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
> >>> sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.
> >>
> >> Ciao
> >>
> >> ho dato uno sguardo veloce e sembra ottimo per le traduzioni, c'è da
> >> studiarci un pochino sopra :)
> >> Con questo sistema si dovrebbe dare un'accelerazione al lavoro :)
> >>
> >
> > Ciao,
> > ho dato anch'io una rapida occhiata e mi pare un sistema valido, se puoi
> > viene adottato dai gruppi di localizzazione per tutte le lingue, credo
> > sia necessario adeguarsi.
> >
> > Vorrei mettermi con un attimo di calma, per capire come si fa ad
> > importare le pagine già tradotte.
> >
> > Valter, la pagina che hai attivato per la traduzione:
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
> > ti risulta che fosse già tradotta in italiano?
> > Dalla richiesta arrivata sembrerebbe di si.
>
> Ciao Marco,scusa il ritardissimo nella risposta.
>
> Sì, la pagina era già tradotta, ma solo in parte. Essendo una vecchia
> pagina di quattro anni fa, mi sono permesso di cancellarla (stupidamente
> non ho pensato di salvare il contenuto, ma erano i dettagli di un evento
> vecchio). Un pochino di lavoro in più per chi la tradurrà (nel caso lo
> farò io)
>
> > A loro dire le traduzioni già fatte si dovrebbero poter importare, hai
> > provato ad usare lo strumento di importazione?
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration
>
> No, era una prova veloce per vedere se funzionava la creazione delle
> pagine da tradurre
>
> >
> > Parlando invece delle pagine wiki da revisionare elencate nel foglio di
> > ripartizione del carico di lavoro, continuiamo con il vecchio metodo?
>
> Direi di sì. Col nuovo metodo si lavorerà solo sulle pagine ancora non
> tradotte.
>
> >
> > Con OmegaT, ne ho fatte diverse in locale, che poi ho riportato sul wiki
> > ed ho trovato un workflow che mi consente di andare abbastanza spedito.
> > Prima, usando Strumenti -> Allinea, mi credo la tmx dalla traduzione già
> > fatta e poi procedo con la revisione avendo già la versione precedente
> > della traduzione.
> > Se volete preparo una descrizione passo passo di questa procedura, utile
> > anche per altri documenti, non solo per il wiki.
> > Ora dovrei fare anche un merge delle tmx, che ho creato in questo modo e
> > caricarle a beneficio di tutti.
>
> Ovviamente! Bravo Marco, sei il nostro eroe :) :)
>
> >
> > A presto, ciao.
> >
> >
>
> Ciao!
> --
> Valter
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> è un mezzo ecologico per definizione e ad alta efficienza energetica.
> La bicicletta migliora il traffico, l'ambiente, la salute e l'umore.
>
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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

Ciao Walter,

Ok, ho tradotto con il sistema wiki.

Funziona bene ed è molto più agevole di omegaT
Una volta finito si clicca su REVISIONA e crea il file tradotto in
modo corretto con un solo /it e nel menu dell'internazionalizzazioni
viene generato correttamente.

Il tool per la conversione dei file tradotti con omegaT secondo il
nuovo sistema wiki, devo verificare.
Ciao

Il giorno sab 8 giu 2019 alle ore 19:08 manuel frassinetti
<[hidden email]> ha scritto:

>
> Ciao Valter e scusa il ritardo per la risposta.
> Ma ho un matrimonio da mettere in piedi e sono un po' preso.
> Ho guardato velocemente.
> La pagina propone correttamente la traduzione, ma nonostante tutto il
> problema è che pur avendo creato la pagina
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it
> mi dice che però la pagina IT non è creata, bisognerebbe provare con esporta?
> Anche se nel menu delle internazionalizzazioni mi da it/it mentre
> dovrebbe darmi solo Day/it
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it/it
> segnala come non esistente.
> Lunedì proverò a tradurre qualcosa ed esportare per vedere cosa dice.
> Ciao
>
> L'idea del tool per fare la migrazione delle pagine già tradotte e
> ancora da verificare.
> Vediamo se io o Marco fa la prova.
>
> Ciao
>
> Il giorno sab 25 mag 2019 alle ore 20:54 Valter Mura
> <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
> >
> > Il 22/05/19 14:54, Marco Marega ha scritto:
> > > Il 22/05/19 12:15, Valter Mura ha scritto:
> > >> Il 18/05/19 01:12, Luca Daghino @ Libero ha scritto:
> > >>> Giro per conoscenza.
> > >>>
> > >>> Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
> > >>> tramite la Translate extension.
> > >>>
> > >>> Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
> > >>> sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.
> > >>
> > >> Ciao
> > >>
> > >> ho dato uno sguardo veloce e sembra ottimo per le traduzioni, c'è da
> > >> studiarci un pochino sopra :)
> > >> Con questo sistema si dovrebbe dare un'accelerazione al lavoro :)
> > >>
> > >
> > > Ciao,
> > > ho dato anch'io una rapida occhiata e mi pare un sistema valido, se puoi
> > > viene adottato dai gruppi di localizzazione per tutte le lingue, credo
> > > sia necessario adeguarsi.
> > >
> > > Vorrei mettermi con un attimo di calma, per capire come si fa ad
> > > importare le pagine già tradotte.
> > >
> > > Valter, la pagina che hai attivato per la traduzione:
> > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
> > > ti risulta che fosse già tradotta in italiano?
> > > Dalla richiesta arrivata sembrerebbe di si.
> >
> > Ciao Marco,scusa il ritardissimo nella risposta.
> >
> > Sì, la pagina era già tradotta, ma solo in parte. Essendo una vecchia
> > pagina di quattro anni fa, mi sono permesso di cancellarla (stupidamente
> > non ho pensato di salvare il contenuto, ma erano i dettagli di un evento
> > vecchio). Un pochino di lavoro in più per chi la tradurrà (nel caso lo
> > farò io)
> >
> > > A loro dire le traduzioni già fatte si dovrebbero poter importare, hai
> > > provato ad usare lo strumento di importazione?
> > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration
> >
> > No, era una prova veloce per vedere se funzionava la creazione delle
> > pagine da tradurre
> >
> > >
> > > Parlando invece delle pagine wiki da revisionare elencate nel foglio di
> > > ripartizione del carico di lavoro, continuiamo con il vecchio metodo?
> >
> > Direi di sì. Col nuovo metodo si lavorerà solo sulle pagine ancora non
> > tradotte.
> >
> > >
> > > Con OmegaT, ne ho fatte diverse in locale, che poi ho riportato sul wiki
> > > ed ho trovato un workflow che mi consente di andare abbastanza spedito.
> > > Prima, usando Strumenti -> Allinea, mi credo la tmx dalla traduzione già
> > > fatta e poi procedo con la revisione avendo già la versione precedente
> > > della traduzione.
> > > Se volete preparo una descrizione passo passo di questa procedura, utile
> > > anche per altri documenti, non solo per il wiki.
> > > Ora dovrei fare anche un merge delle tmx, che ho creato in questo modo e
> > > caricarle a beneficio di tutti.
> >
> > Ovviamente! Bravo Marco, sei il nostro eroe :) :)
> >
> > >
> > > A presto, ciao.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Ciao!
> > --
> > Valter
> > Open Source is better!
> > LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org
> > KDE: www.kde.org
> > Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org
> > KDE neon: https://neon.kde.org/
> > La bici non consuma e non produce emissioni, non ingombra e non fa rumore:
> > è un mezzo ecologico per definizione e ad alta efficienza energetica.
> > La bicicletta migliora il traffico, l'ambiente, la salute e l'umore.
> >
> > --
> > Come cancellarsi: E-mail [hidden email]
> > Problemi? https://it.libreoffice.org/supporto/mailing-lists/come-cancellarsi/
> > Linee guida per postare + altro: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/it
> > Archivio della lista: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/it/l10n/
> > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
>
>
>
> --
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> Modena



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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

Ciao Walter,
errata corrige.
Ho tradotto la pagina col sistema wiki
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
Mi ha generato un pagina
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it
in inglese
e un pagina https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it/it
secondo la mia traduzione.
Non ho compreso il motivo.
Quindi ho dovuto fare il copia e incolla dalla pagina it/it a quella /it.
Poi ho vuotato la pagina it/it, ma non sono riuscito a cancellarla.

Ho fatto una prova anche con un altra pagina
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/001
in
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/001/it
e sembra avere lavorato correttamente, fino alla fine.

Se noti sono poi andato alla pagina ed ho fatto clic su rimuovi dalla
traduzione.

Mi riservo di fare altre prove. Visto che non ho capito bene come lavora.
Ciao

Manuel Frassinetti

Il giorno lun 10 giu 2019 alle ore 11:04 manuel frassinetti
<[hidden email]> ha scritto:

>
> Ciao Walter,
>
> Ok, ho tradotto con il sistema wiki.
>
> Funziona bene ed è molto più agevole di omegaT
> Una volta finito si clicca su REVISIONA e crea il file tradotto in
> modo corretto con un solo /it e nel menu dell'internazionalizzazioni
> viene generato correttamente.
>
> Il tool per la conversione dei file tradotti con omegaT secondo il
> nuovo sistema wiki, devo verificare.
> Ciao
>
> Il giorno sab 8 giu 2019 alle ore 19:08 manuel frassinetti
> <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
> >
> > Ciao Valter e scusa il ritardo per la risposta.
> > Ma ho un matrimonio da mettere in piedi e sono un po' preso.
> > Ho guardato velocemente.
> > La pagina propone correttamente la traduzione, ma nonostante tutto il
> > problema è che pur avendo creato la pagina
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it
> > mi dice che però la pagina IT non è creata, bisognerebbe provare con esporta?
> > Anche se nel menu delle internazionalizzazioni mi da it/it mentre
> > dovrebbe darmi solo Day/it
> > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it/it
> > segnala come non esistente.
> > Lunedì proverò a tradurre qualcosa ed esportare per vedere cosa dice.
> > Ciao
> >
> > L'idea del tool per fare la migrazione delle pagine già tradotte e
> > ancora da verificare.
> > Vediamo se io o Marco fa la prova.
> >
> > Ciao
> >
> > Il giorno sab 25 mag 2019 alle ore 20:54 Valter Mura
> > <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
> > >
> > > Il 22/05/19 14:54, Marco Marega ha scritto:
> > > > Il 22/05/19 12:15, Valter Mura ha scritto:
> > > >> Il 18/05/19 01:12, Luca Daghino @ Libero ha scritto:
> > > >>> Giro per conoscenza.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
> > > >>> tramite la Translate extension.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
> > > >>> sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.
> > > >>
> > > >> Ciao
> > > >>
> > > >> ho dato uno sguardo veloce e sembra ottimo per le traduzioni, c'è da
> > > >> studiarci un pochino sopra :)
> > > >> Con questo sistema si dovrebbe dare un'accelerazione al lavoro :)
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Ciao,
> > > > ho dato anch'io una rapida occhiata e mi pare un sistema valido, se puoi
> > > > viene adottato dai gruppi di localizzazione per tutte le lingue, credo
> > > > sia necessario adeguarsi.
> > > >
> > > > Vorrei mettermi con un attimo di calma, per capire come si fa ad
> > > > importare le pagine già tradotte.
> > > >
> > > > Valter, la pagina che hai attivato per la traduzione:
> > > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
> > > > ti risulta che fosse già tradotta in italiano?
> > > > Dalla richiesta arrivata sembrerebbe di si.
> > >
> > > Ciao Marco,scusa il ritardissimo nella risposta.
> > >
> > > Sì, la pagina era già tradotta, ma solo in parte. Essendo una vecchia
> > > pagina di quattro anni fa, mi sono permesso di cancellarla (stupidamente
> > > non ho pensato di salvare il contenuto, ma erano i dettagli di un evento
> > > vecchio). Un pochino di lavoro in più per chi la tradurrà (nel caso lo
> > > farò io)
> > >
> > > > A loro dire le traduzioni già fatte si dovrebbero poter importare, hai
> > > > provato ad usare lo strumento di importazione?
> > > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration
> > >
> > > No, era una prova veloce per vedere se funzionava la creazione delle
> > > pagine da tradurre
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Parlando invece delle pagine wiki da revisionare elencate nel foglio di
> > > > ripartizione del carico di lavoro, continuiamo con il vecchio metodo?
> > >
> > > Direi di sì. Col nuovo metodo si lavorerà solo sulle pagine ancora non
> > > tradotte.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Con OmegaT, ne ho fatte diverse in locale, che poi ho riportato sul wiki
> > > > ed ho trovato un workflow che mi consente di andare abbastanza spedito.
> > > > Prima, usando Strumenti -> Allinea, mi credo la tmx dalla traduzione già
> > > > fatta e poi procedo con la revisione avendo già la versione precedente
> > > > della traduzione.
> > > > Se volete preparo una descrizione passo passo di questa procedura, utile
> > > > anche per altri documenti, non solo per il wiki.
> > > > Ora dovrei fare anche un merge delle tmx, che ho creato in questo modo e
> > > > caricarle a beneficio di tutti.
> > >
> > > Ovviamente! Bravo Marco, sei il nostro eroe :) :)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > A presto, ciao.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ciao!
> > > --
> > > Valter
> > > Open Source is better!
> > > LibreOffice: www.libreoffice.org
> > > KDE: www.kde.org
> > > Kubuntu: www.kubuntu.org
> > > KDE neon: https://neon.kde.org/
> > > La bici non consuma e non produce emissioni, non ingombra e non fa rumore:
> > > è un mezzo ecologico per definizione e ad alta efficienza energetica.
> > > La bicicletta migliora il traffico, l'ambiente, la salute e l'umore.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Come cancellarsi: E-mail [hidden email]
> > > Problemi? https://it.libreoffice.org/supporto/mailing-lists/come-cancellarsi/
> > > Linee guida per postare + altro: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Local_Mailing_Lists/it
> > > Archivio della lista: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/it/l10n/
> > > Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Manuel Frassinetti
> > Modena
>
>
>
> --
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> Modena



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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-l10n] Moving to Translate extension in the wiki: call for help

Ciao Walter,
dopo qualche prova, ti aggiorno.

1. accedete con credenziali wiki;
2. aprite documento in inglese da tradurre in modalità modifica da wiki
3. inserite il tag <translate> e </translate> all'inizio e fine del documento;
4. salvate la modifica;
5. al centro della pagina fate clic su "segna questa pagina per la traduzione"
6. a fondo pagina selezionate la lingua it, e fate clic su "segna
questa versione per la traduzione"
7. venite trasferiti su
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation dove si
trovano le pagine da tradurre col nuovo sistema
8. fate clic sulla pagina che avete deciso di tradurre
9. in alto al centro fate clic su "traduci questa pagina"
10. iniziate la traduzione e salvate ogni singolo segmento tradotto;
11. finito fate clic su "revisiona" e poi "esci"
12. riaprite la pagina
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageTranslation e a destra
del file che avete tradotto fate clic su "rimuovi dalla traduzione"
In questo modo il sistema crea una pagina /it dell'originale in inglese.
13. ricordarsi di aggiornare la scheda wiki-revisionate della pagina
avanzamento lavori.

ATTENZIONE: Questa procedura non funziona con una pagina già tradotta
o da revisionare. Bisogna usare il vecchio metodo.
Mentre va bene per una pagina che non ha un equivalente in italiano.
Come si suol dire nuova di pacca da tradurre.
Questo è quanto emerso dalle prove fatte per mio conto e con la pagina
che tu Walter avevi predisposto per la traduzione, perchè purtroppo
esisteva già una precedente anche se non tradotta un /it. Quando tu
hai inserito i tag <translate> ha creato una pagina it/it
Il problema è che ritengo possa sporcare i server di wiki con file
orfani e vuoti. Dico vuoti, perchè ho copiato la traduzione nel file
/it corretto e poi ho lasciato vuoto il /it/it. NON mi ricordo come
posso cancellarli. Se qualcuno mi rinfresca la memoria procedo alla
pulizia di quelli che ho creato.

Come ci regoliamo?
Tenete presente che il sistema wiki è una buona idea, anche se
funziona col nuovo, mentre dobbiamo trovare una soluzione col vecchio.
Ciao

Il giorno lun 10 giu 2019 alle ore 13:37 manuel frassinetti
<[hidden email]> ha scritto:

>
> Ciao Walter,
> errata corrige.
> Ho tradotto la pagina col sistema wiki
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
> Mi ha generato un pagina
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it
> in inglese
> e un pagina https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it/it
> secondo la mia traduzione.
> Non ho compreso il motivo.
> Quindi ho dovuto fare il copia e incolla dalla pagina it/it a quella /it.
> Poi ho vuotato la pagina it/it, ma non sono riuscito a cancellarla.
>
> Ho fatto una prova anche con un altra pagina
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/001
> in
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Faq/General/001/it
> e sembra avere lavorato correttamente, fino alla fine.
>
> Se noti sono poi andato alla pagina ed ho fatto clic su rimuovi dalla
> traduzione.
>
> Mi riservo di fare altre prove. Visto che non ho capito bene come lavora.
> Ciao
>
> Manuel Frassinetti
>
> Il giorno lun 10 giu 2019 alle ore 11:04 manuel frassinetti
> <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
> >
> > Ciao Walter,
> >
> > Ok, ho tradotto con il sistema wiki.
> >
> > Funziona bene ed è molto più agevole di omegaT
> > Una volta finito si clicca su REVISIONA e crea il file tradotto in
> > modo corretto con un solo /it e nel menu dell'internazionalizzazioni
> > viene generato correttamente.
> >
> > Il tool per la conversione dei file tradotti con omegaT secondo il
> > nuovo sistema wiki, devo verificare.
> > Ciao
> >
> > Il giorno sab 8 giu 2019 alle ore 19:08 manuel frassinetti
> > <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
> > >
> > > Ciao Valter e scusa il ritardo per la risposta.
> > > Ma ho un matrimonio da mettere in piedi e sono un po' preso.
> > > Ho guardato velocemente.
> > > La pagina propone correttamente la traduzione, ma nonostante tutto il
> > > problema è che pur avendo creato la pagina
> > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it
> > > mi dice che però la pagina IT non è creata, bisognerebbe provare con esporta?
> > > Anche se nel menu delle internazionalizzazioni mi da it/it mentre
> > > dovrebbe darmi solo Day/it
> > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day/it/it
> > > segnala come non esistente.
> > > Lunedì proverò a tradurre qualcosa ed esportare per vedere cosa dice.
> > > Ciao
> > >
> > > L'idea del tool per fare la migrazione delle pagine già tradotte e
> > > ancora da verificare.
> > > Vediamo se io o Marco fa la prova.
> > >
> > > Ciao
> > >
> > > Il giorno sab 25 mag 2019 alle ore 20:54 Valter Mura
> > > <[hidden email]> ha scritto:
> > > >
> > > > Il 22/05/19 14:54, Marco Marega ha scritto:
> > > > > Il 22/05/19 12:15, Valter Mura ha scritto:
> > > > >> Il 18/05/19 01:12, Luca Daghino @ Libero ha scritto:
> > > > >>> Giro per conoscenza.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Si tratta di un invito ad utilizzare il nuovo metodo di traduzione
> > > > >>> tramite la Translate extension.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Non conosco, quindi lascio eventuali commenti, opinioni e altro a chi
> > > > >>> sta seguendo il wiki attualmente.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Ciao
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ho dato uno sguardo veloce e sembra ottimo per le traduzioni, c'è da
> > > > >> studiarci un pochino sopra :)
> > > > >> Con questo sistema si dovrebbe dare un'accelerazione al lavoro :)
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Ciao,
> > > > > ho dato anch'io una rapida occhiata e mi pare un sistema valido, se puoi
> > > > > viene adottato dai gruppi di localizzazione per tutte le lingue, credo
> > > > > sia necessario adeguarsi.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vorrei mettermi con un attimo di calma, per capire come si fa ad
> > > > > importare le pagine già tradotte.
> > > > >
> > > > > Valter, la pagina che hai attivato per la traduzione:
> > > > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events/2015/Document_Freedom_Day
> > > > > ti risulta che fosse già tradotta in italiano?
> > > > > Dalla richiesta arrivata sembrerebbe di si.
> > > >
> > > > Ciao Marco,scusa il ritardissimo nella risposta.
> > > >
> > > > Sì, la pagina era già tradotta, ma solo in parte. Essendo una vecchia
> > > > pagina di quattro anni fa, mi sono permesso di cancellarla (stupidamente
> > > > non ho pensato di salvare il contenuto, ma erano i dettagli di un evento
> > > > vecchio). Un pochino di lavoro in più per chi la tradurrà (nel caso lo
> > > > farò io)
> > > >
> > > > > A loro dire le traduzioni già fatte si dovrebbero poter importare, hai
> > > > > provato ad usare lo strumento di importazione?
> > > > > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Special:PageMigration
> > > >
> > > > No, era una prova veloce per vedere se funzionava la creazione delle
> > > > pagine da tradurre
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Parlando invece delle pagine wiki da revisionare elencate nel foglio di
> > > > > ripartizione del carico di lavoro, continuiamo con il vecchio metodo?
> > > >
> > > > Direi di sì. Col nuovo metodo si lavorerà solo sulle pagine ancora non
> > > > tradotte.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Con OmegaT, ne ho fatte diverse in locale, che poi ho riportato sul wiki
> > > > > ed ho trovato un workflow che mi consente di andare abbastanza spedito.
> > > > > Prima, usando Strumenti -> Allinea, mi credo la tmx dalla traduzione già
> > > > > fatta e poi procedo con la revisione avendo già la versione precedente
> > > > > della traduzione.
> > > > > Se volete preparo una descrizione passo passo di questa procedura, utile
> > > > > anche per altri documenti, non solo per il wiki.
> > > > > Ora dovrei fare anche un merge delle tmx, che ho creato in questo modo e
> > > > > caricarle a beneficio di tutti.
> > > >
> > > > Ovviamente! Bravo Marco, sei il nostro eroe :) :)
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > A presto, ciao.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ciao!
> > > > --
> > > > Valter
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> >
> >
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