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LibreOffice 'deployment'

Hi,
A friend recently asked me, if it is possible to remotely install and
configure LibreOffice on numerous client machines - so that the admin
does not have to run from one computer to the next to do the job. Is
that possible for LO?

Thanks
Milos

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Hello,

We deploy LO here through software delivery from CA. This works fine.

Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,

DRIES FEYS
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On 7 October 2013 15:19, Milos Sramek <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
> A friend recently asked me, if it is possible to remotely install and
> configure LibreOffice on numerous client machines - so that the admin does
> not have to run from one computer to the next to do the job. Is that
> possible for LO?
>
> Thanks
> Milos
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Thomas Boehm Thomas Boehm
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Milos Sramek wrote:
> Hi,
> A friend recently asked me, if it is possible to remotely install and
> configure LibreOffice on numerous client machines - so that the admin
> does not have to run from one computer to the next to do the job. Is
> that possible for LO?

I take it that you're using Windows. The Libreoffice setup has a silent
install command line switch. I use the following command to "deploy" a
newer version

> msiexec /qn /i "libreoffice_setup.msi%" SELECT_WORD=1 SELECT_EXCEL=1 SELECT_POWERPOINT=1 REGISTER_ALL_MSO_TYPES=1 ADDLOCAL=ALL RebootYesNo=No REMOVE=gm_o_Onlineupdate,gm_o_jf_Palm,gm_o_jf_Pocketpc

and put it into the domain login script, so that it gets executed if one
particular user with the right permissions to install software logs in.
I do this with Remote Desktop on multiple PC at the same time.

There are also proper deployment solutions available like OPSI.

HTH
Thomas


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Milos Sramek wrote:
> A friend recently asked me, if it is possible to remotely install and
> configure LibreOffice on numerous client machines - so that the admin
> does not have to run from one computer to the next to do the job. Is
> that possible for LO?

Yes, it's certainly doable.  It's easy enough on Linux and there are
tools available on Windows for that too.

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Hi,

is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all modification needed.

Kind regards,
Ivan Omazic
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Marcello Romani Marcello Romani
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Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:

> Hi,
>
> is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install
> it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
> modification needed.
>
> Kind regards,
> Ivan Omazic
>
>
>
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This might prove a useful starting point:

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0

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V Stuart Foote V Stuart Foote
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@Ivan,

>From: IOmazic <[hidden email]>
>Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 6:21 AM
>
>is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to install
>it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
>modification needed.

Since LibreOffice is packaged for installation using Microsoft Installer (msiexec.exe) you have a lot of options for doing the installation.  You can directly modify the installer package with Microsofts ORCA utility.  You can run /A administrative install to a network share and modify the resulting .msi installer, or apply a transform against it.  Or you can do either and push with GPO or SCCM deployment.

Point is the standard tools for Windows software deployment all work pretty well with the way that Andras  Timar and others have packaged the builds.

Stuart


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On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:

> Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:
>> Hi,
>>
>> is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to
>> install
>> it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
>> modification needed.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Ivan Omazic
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Ivan Omazic
>> IT Assistant / Technical Lead
>> [hidden email]
>> +41 22 730 81 55
>> +41 79 918 34 26
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html
>> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
> This might prove a useful starting point:
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0
>

Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for
information about LibreOffice?

For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a
LO web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it
is "grown" past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed
documentation now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web
site/page to talk about IT management deployment of LO, including
network based.

The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to
get information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead
business users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That
is wrong way of doing "business".

SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be
resolved.  From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.

I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain
to users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the
needed information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.

Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open
source option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to
go with AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation?  We would
be saying this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the
deployment information.

I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s]
for the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there
may be something there that LO currently does not have, but it should
not be the first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the
user the help and support they need.

I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there
about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.

Am I alone in this opinion?




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Hi :)
You are not alone in that opinion but i can see it from other angles too.

1.  The way i see it is that LO and AOO are produced by 1 large
community.  There are quite a few people who work in both or move from
1 to the other and sometimes back again.  The mainstream press seems
to think we fight and argue constantly and that seems to have boosted
coverage for both projects.  AOO aims at a slightly different niche
from LO although both have a lot of ground in common.  It's NOT a case
of us against them.  It's both of us and others (Caligra/KOffice,
Google-docs, AbiWord&Gnumeric etc) acting in "co-operative
competition" with/against each other against a dominant market-leader.

2.  I copy&pasted one page from OOo's documentation into our own wiki
and the original author proof-read it for us.  He was more than happy
to share the knowledge and help distribute it widely.  Since then
others have made a better page and Hagar has updated his one in AOO so
'mine' has fallen quite far behind and rarely gets visited now.  I'll
set it as a redirect to the updated one someday.

3.  I agree that business people are probably unfamiliar with the
concept of co-operative competition and that it might even scare them
off from using either of LO and AOO!!  Corporate-types are often timid
when in unfamiliar terrain so it's better for us to appear to be easy
for them to understand (imo)

Regards from
Tom :)




On 3 February 2014 16:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:
>>
>> Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to
>>> install
>>> it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
>>> modification needed.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Ivan Omazic
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Ivan Omazic
>>> IT Assistant / Technical Lead
>>> [hidden email]
>>> +41 22 730 81 55
>>> +41 79 918 34 26
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html
>>> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>> This might prove a useful starting point:
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0
>>
>
> Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for
> information about LibreOffice?
>
> For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a LO
> web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is
> "grown" past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed documentation
> now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to talk
> about IT management deployment of LO, including network based.
>
> The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to get
> information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead business
> users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That is wrong way
> of doing "business".
>
> SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be resolved.
> From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.
>
> I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain to
> users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed
> information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.
>
> Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open source
> option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with
> AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation?  We would be saying
> this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment
> information.
>
> I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] for
> the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there may be
> something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the
> first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help and
> support they need.
>
> I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there
> about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.
>
> Am I alone in this opinion?
>
>
>
>
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YES, F.O.S.S packages share things with other groups, but I really thing
business users needs the documentation on LO pages and not OOo pages.  
These people do not understand about the sharing of information between
"friendly competition" FOSS packages and the lack of info due to the
package[s] being too "new" or immature to work for them.

I really would hope the first place for our users for information would
be on a LO site or in LO docs.  So I feel we need to have the business
information for deployment and migration in the LO wiki system and not
ask the business users to go to our "friendly competition" for that
info.  It just does not look well for us and those who market and
support LO to the business users.


On 02/03/2014 12:27 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> You are not alone in that opinion but i can see it from other angles too.
>
> 1.  The way i see it is that LO and AOO are produced by 1 large
> community.  There are quite a few people who work in both or move from
> 1 to the other and sometimes back again.  The mainstream press seems
> to think we fight and argue constantly and that seems to have boosted
> coverage for both projects.  AOO aims at a slightly different niche
> from LO although both have a lot of ground in common.  It's NOT a case
> of us against them.  It's both of us and others (Caligra/KOffice,
> Google-docs, AbiWord&Gnumeric etc) acting in "co-operative
> competition" with/against each other against a dominant market-leader.
>
> 2.  I copy&pasted one page from OOo's documentation into our own wiki
> and the original author proof-read it for us.  He was more than happy
> to share the knowledge and help distribute it widely.  Since then
> others have made a better page and Hagar has updated his one in AOO so
> 'mine' has fallen quite far behind and rarely gets visited now.  I'll
> set it as a redirect to the updated one someday.
>
> 3.  I agree that business people are probably unfamiliar with the
> concept of co-operative competition and that it might even scare them
> off from using either of LO and AOO!!  Corporate-types are often timid
> when in unfamiliar terrain so it's better for us to appear to be easy
> for them to understand (imo)
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
> On 3 February 2014 16:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:
>>> Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to
>>>> install
>>>> it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
>>>> modification needed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Ivan Omazic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> Ivan Omazic
>>>> IT Assistant / Technical Lead
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> +41 22 730 81 55
>>>> +41 79 918 34 26
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html
>>>> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
>>> This might prove a useful starting point:
>>>
>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0
>>>
>> Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for
>> information about LibreOffice?
>>
>> For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a LO
>> web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is
>> "grown" past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed documentation
>> now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to talk
>> about IT management deployment of LO, including network based.
>>
>> The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to get
>> information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead business
>> users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That is wrong way
>> of doing "business".
>>
>> SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be resolved.
>>  From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.
>>
>> I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain to
>> users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed
>> information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.
>>
>> Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open source
>> option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with
>> AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation?  We would be saying
>> this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment
>> information.
>>
>> I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s] for
>> the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there may be
>> something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the
>> first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help and
>> support they need.
>>
>> I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there
>> about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.
>>
>> Am I alone in this opinion?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi :)
Copy&paste is good wrt my item 3.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 3 February 2014 17:45, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
<[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> YES, F.O.S.S packages share things with other groups, but I really thing
> business users needs the documentation on LO pages and not OOo pages.  These
> people do not understand about the sharing of information between "friendly
> competition" FOSS packages and the lack of info due to the package[s] being
> too "new" or immature to work for them.
>
> I really would hope the first place for our users for information would be
> on a LO site or in LO docs.  So I feel we need to have the business
> information for deployment and migration in the LO wiki system and not ask
> the business users to go to our "friendly competition" for that info.  It
> just does not look well for us and those who market and support LO to the
> business users.
>
>
> On 02/03/2014 12:27 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>
>> Hi :)
>> You are not alone in that opinion but i can see it from other angles too.
>>
>> 1.  The way i see it is that LO and AOO are produced by 1 large
>> community.  There are quite a few people who work in both or move from
>> 1 to the other and sometimes back again.  The mainstream press seems
>> to think we fight and argue constantly and that seems to have boosted
>> coverage for both projects.  AOO aims at a slightly different niche
>> from LO although both have a lot of ground in common.  It's NOT a case
>> of us against them.  It's both of us and others (Caligra/KOffice,
>> Google-docs, AbiWord&Gnumeric etc) acting in "co-operative
>> competition" with/against each other against a dominant market-leader.
>>
>> 2.  I copy&pasted one page from OOo's documentation into our own wiki
>> and the original author proof-read it for us.  He was more than happy
>> to share the knowledge and help distribute it widely.  Since then
>> others have made a better page and Hagar has updated his one in AOO so
>> 'mine' has fallen quite far behind and rarely gets visited now.  I'll
>> set it as a redirect to the updated one someday.
>>
>> 3.  I agree that business people are probably unfamiliar with the
>> concept of co-operative competition and that it might even scare them
>> off from using either of LO and AOO!!  Corporate-types are often timid
>> when in unfamiliar terrain so it's better for us to appear to be easy
>> for them to understand (imo)
>>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 February 2014 16:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to
>>>>> install
>>>>> it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
>>>>> modification needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>> Ivan Omazic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Ivan Omazic
>>>>> IT Assistant / Technical Lead
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> +41 22 730 81 55
>>>>> +41 79 918 34 26
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html
>>>>> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
>>>> This might prove a useful starting point:
>>>>
>>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0
>>>>
>>> Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for
>>> information about LibreOffice?
>>>
>>> For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a LO
>>> web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it is
>>> "grown" past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed documentation
>>> now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web site/page to
>>> talk
>>> about IT management deployment of LO, including network based.
>>>
>>> The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to
>>> get
>>> information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead business
>>> users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That is wrong
>>> way
>>> of doing "business".
>>>
>>> SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be
>>> resolved.
>>>  From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.
>>>
>>> I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain
>>> to
>>> users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the needed
>>> information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.
>>>
>>> Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open
>>> source
>>> option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to go with
>>> AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation?  We would be
>>> saying
>>> this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the deployment
>>> information.
>>>
>>> I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s]
>>> for
>>> the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there may be
>>> something there that LO currently does not have, but it should not be the
>>> first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the user the help
>>> and
>>> support they need.
>>>
>>> I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there
>>> about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.
>>>
>>> Am I alone in this opinion?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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YES
this is the type of LO page link we should give users instead of sending
them off to OOo or any other non-LO site "first".

I knew we had documentation somewhere.  We just need to get the word out
there "better".

Maybe have more "indexed" material resources list.  The
"/Deployment_and_Migration" page is listed in the "Teams" section.  
Maybe have section titles in the main page that lists specific
"discussions" or resource materials would be very helpful at this
point.  Maybe having a larger indexed list of topics that are of use to
the setup, migration, and/or business deployment would be something that
could be a "top level" listing in the main page and in the
"documentation" page[s].

The "#Corporate_Users" page is not listed in the main documentation
list, and needs to, instead of "other documents", etc., section.  These
things need to be "top level" items that are very easy to see from the
main page and/or the main documentation page.  If we can make it very
easy for the business users, large and small, to find the needed
documentation instead of a lot of searching around hoping we have what
they need, then maybe we could get more exposure in the business world.  
The UK mandate for using ODF stated OpenOffice instead of the file
format name.  This was brought out in an article about LO 4.2.x.  
OOo/AOO seems to be thought of as the only "proper" ODF using package by
"people" and not LO.  This may be that they have more information
equating OOo/AOO with ODF, and not LO, with ODF as the standard package
for using that open file format[s] system.  WE need to get businesses
attention with the facts about both LO's ODF standards and the better
OOXML "standards" usability that MS requires businesses to use.

We need our supporters to have easy access to where the needed
references, in a well thought out "indexed" system of Wiki pages that
make sense with topic groupings.  This will help both these supporters
and our users to find the needed information.

In the below listing, I would think that the documents needed by
Business and Corporate users about setup, deployment, and migration to
LO would be in one easy to find place, and not spread all over where you
have to search other "needs" to find the link to the deployment info or
other Corporate needed info.  Right now it look like you have to go to
several different sections to find the links that might be of common use
to these users.

I would love to find out why the UK minister stated OOo for the file
format[s] type, along with Google Docs, as potential formats to use
instead of MSO's ones.  Be nice to have some high up tech guy let the
minister know that LO can do ODF documents just as well as "OOo", even
though it is now called AOO instead of OOo. At least the UK and France
are getting the idea that MSO proprietary formats are not the way to do
business anymore if you want a more open government or business.

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Il 03/02/2014 17:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster ha scritto:

> On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:
>> Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to
>>> install
>>> it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
>>> modification needed.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Ivan Omazic
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
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>>> IT Assistant / Technical Lead
>>> [hidden email]
>>> +41 22 730 81 55
>>> +41 79 918 34 26
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>>>
>>> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>
>> This might prove a useful starting point:
>>
>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0
>>
>
> Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for
> information about LibreOffice?
>
> For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a
> LO web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it
> is "grown" past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed
> documentation now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web
> site/page to talk about IT management deployment of LO, including
> network based.
>
> The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to
> get information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead
> business users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That
> is wrong way of doing "business".
>
> SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be
> resolved.  From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.
>
> I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain
> to users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the
> needed information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.
>
> Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open
> source option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to
> go with AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation?  We would
> be saying this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the
> deployment information.
>
> I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s]
> for the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there
> may be something there that LO currently does not have, but it should
> not be the first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the
> user the help and support they need.
>
> I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there
> about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.
>
> Am I alone in this opinion?
>
>
>
>


Googled for a solution.
Found an interesting thread.
Thought it could be useful to the OP.
Posted it.

I don't get what all this whining is about.

Is there LO-specific information around, or some tutorial that doesn't
involve OO? Fine, somebody is goind to come up with it (you didn't, by
the way. Just sayin')
As an example, V Stuart Foote provided a more general solution to the OP
problem in this same thread.

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On 02/05/2014 02:38 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:

> Il 03/02/2014 17:47, Kracked_P_P---webmaster ha scritto:
>> On 02/03/2014 08:48 AM, Marcello Romani wrote:
>>> Il 03/02/2014 13:21, IOmazic ha scritto:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> is it possible that you share this tools for windows? I will need to
>>>> install
>>>> it to around 450 pc, so it will be cool to have some tool to do all
>>>> modification needed.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> Ivan Omazic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> Ivan Omazic
>>>> IT Assistant / Technical Lead
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> +41 22 730 81 55
>>>> +41 79 918 34 26
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-deployment-tp4077035p4095225.html 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This might prove a useful starting point:
>>>
>>> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=28765&start=0 
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Why are people still sending others to the OpenOffice.org web site for
>> information about LibreOffice?
>>
>> For this posted need, I remember hearing about "deployment" of LO on a
>> LO web page.  Although LO was a fork of OOo from several years ago, it
>> is "grown" past those roots now.  If we do not have the needed
>> documentation now, we should really make it a priority to set up a web
>> site/page to talk about IT management deployment of LO, including
>> network based.
>>
>> The current AOO/OOo web site should not be the place where people go to
>> get information about LO.  From a marketing aspect, this could lead
>> business users to think we are not the package to use, but AOO is.  That
>> is wrong way of doing "business".
>>
>> SO, just from the marketing aspect to businesses, this needs to be
>> resolved.  From the typical user, this could be an issue as well.
>>
>> I stopped using OOo when LO came out.  I do not want to have to explain
>> to users that LO's documentation site[s] is not the place to find the
>> needed information to migrate/deploy LO to their systems.
>>
>> Would you tell the UK tech advisors to not consider LO for the open
>> source option to using the mandated ODF file format requirements, but to
>> go with AOO/OOo since we do not have the needed documentation? We would
>> be saying this if we tell them to go to the OOo web site for the
>> deployment information.
>>
>> I see too many of these postings telling users to go to the OOo site[s]
>> for the needed information or extension/template download.  Yes, there
>> may be something there that LO currently does not have, but it should
>> not be the first option.  LO needs to rely on LO's sites to give the
>> user the help and support they need.
>>
>> I do not use Nabble, but I would think that there must be a forum there
>> about business migration and deployment.  IF not, then there should be.
>>
>> Am I alone in this opinion?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Googled for a solution.
> Found an interesting thread.
> Thought it could be useful to the OP.
> Posted it.
>
> I don't get what all this whining is about.
>
> Is there LO-specific information around, or some tutorial that doesn't
> involve OO? Fine, somebody is goind to come up with it (you didn't, by
> the way. Just sayin')
> As an example, V Stuart Foote provided a more general solution to the
> OP problem in this same thread.
>

I am not "whining", or hope that is not so.  I am stating the fact that
TDF and LO are mature "company" and software packages.  Our support
"personnel" should look for a solution withing our own web site[s] and
not go to some other "company's" software package web site[s].  Yes,
both packages has the same "roots"  OOo to LO and OOo to AOO, but we are
now different packages and offer different GUI styles and options, plus
our base coding has been changed and may not be reflected in AOO's base
coding.

WE need to have all of the needed information to deploy LO, migrate to
LO, and use LO, in our own web pages, wiki or not.  We should not rely
on AOO/OOo web sites for that information.  It has been available since
January 2011, and we have grow up along the way to be thought as a
different package then our roots, as a fork of OOo, and different from
AOO's "fork" of OOo.  We should, by now, have most of the needed
information available on our web pages and not need to tel users to go
to an AOO/OOo web page[s] to get that information.  Yes, it may be the
same information, but users get confused if we keep telling them to "go
to our competion" to get the information they need.  They, most likely,
not understand the FOSS community and its sharing of code, information,
and such.  So we need to keep our users happy with looking into our
sites, and not others, to get the information [and help] they need with
our office suite package.  I also would not expect users of AOO to
expect to go to LO's pages to get their needed information.  It is not
the "normal" business support practice people expect to see form
company's support "center".

To some users, having us tell our users to go to AOO/OOo web sites for
their info, this might lead them to think/feel that LO is not a "grown
up" and fully mature office suite package while AOO is.  In "year one"
articles seem to state that LO was better than OOo.  Then the official
word came out that Apache acquired OOo and now there are two packages
competing to be the best package in this non-MS office suite market.  I
feel we are better than AOO still, and we need to take pride in that.  
This "issue" of sending our users to the other package site may lead our
business users to feel that we are not ready to be a contender in that
market, while AOO is.

We want to be proud of how well LO works for this market.  We should
make every effort to make sure that our web sites have the needed
information our users want and need.  It is just the right marketing and
support that most people expect from a mature company and its
product[s].  We matured during the first few months or by the end of our
first year of "operation" as a company and software provider.

I want US, the support and marketing people, to take pride in what LO
has done and will due in the future.  But, it gets a little harder if we
keep sending our users to AOO/OOo for information.  We really need to
give our users everything we can to have them think that our package is
the best one in the FOSS and open source office suite market, plus the
best alternative to buying/using MS Office [if available on their OSs]
for their personal and company's needs. We need to take pride in our
office suite and our support system, to the point where businesses will
take a look at "us" and agree they we are the best and we have the best
office suite for their business's wants and needs.  When governments
[and their agencies], businesses [large and small], home and academic
users, see LibreOffice as their first choice, and best choice, for their
office suite needs, then we will gain more market shares [and faster].  
We want these users to see our office suite as the better alternative to
buying/renting MSO to use for their needs in an office suite. Europe is
coming around, but the USA is not, to see that FOSS may be the better
option for their business needs over the proprietary office suites and
their file formats.

So, if this is "whining" then I cannot help it.

I want LO to be the best we can be.  I want our users to thing we are
the best.  I want potential users to look at LO and see that we are the
best.  So, I want LO's marketing and support people and web site[s] to
reflect that we are the best and we take pride in being the best by
making LO better and easier to find help and support from our resources
and not going to others for that help and support.  I am proud to be a
LO user and I want other to think the same about LO as I do.  I want our
marketing people to have all of the help and resources we can give them
to help them with their efforts in getting businesses [and other users]
to see LO as the better option than sticking with proprietary software
and their proprietary file formats that are not the International
Standard for office file formats.  ODF is that standard, while OOXML is
not [and not supported properly between MS's own versions].  We are the
best FOSS and ODF office suite on the market.  We need to make sure
potential users knows that as well.  To do so, we must present a mature
front for all parts of our "doing business", including our help and
support abilities.  The new design of the front page of our web site
[since 4.0] makes us look better to businesses, over the previous
design[s].

Yes, this work to make sure we are the one place, and only place, people
need to go to get help and support for LO.  But as a mature office suite
and company, we should be able to do this.  We must do this, if we are
to be a contender in this office suite market and alternative to MSO.

We are the best, so not let us do everything possible to make sure our
current and potential user know that we are the best.

So, if this is "whining", well I just want us to do everything we can to
show others that we are the best office suite out there, including MSO,
plus the other OOo forks [AOO, etc.].

Tim Lungstrom
creator of the LibreOffice North American Community DVD Project
[established in the spring/summer of 2011]
creator of the LibreOffice-NA.us web site.
user of LibreOffice since its first official release back in January 2011.
living in the Finger Lakes Region of New Your State, in the USA.



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For the record, I've been a happy user of "soffice" even before the 1.0
release (I started being happy right after they dictched that awful
desktop-over-desktop Start Office thing ;-)
Even before LO existed I pushed OO over MSO in the company where I work
(I'm the IT manager). I even introduced Ubuntu Linux on the desktop
(plus the server room is 90% debian). Ubuntu has switched to LO. I still
haven't "converted" all of the windows workstations to LO, so I run a
mixture of OO/LO instances with virtually no problems (thanks to the
virtual absence of file format compatibility issues).

As a (again, happy) user, I'm not that passionate about the LO/OO
"competition", but I can see where you're coming from.
Though I'm not concerned about the product image as you are, you
certainly have a point, so I'll try and be more careful in the future.

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On February 5, 2014 1:53:59 AM PST, Kracked_P_P wrote:

>both packages has the same "roots"  OOo to LO and OOo to AOO, but we are now different packages and offer different GUI styles and options, plus our base coding has been changed and may not be reflected in AOO's base coding.

Given the differences in the code base, can we even be sure that information provided on the AOO website will apply to LibO?  

I do know that there are enough differences between AOO and LibO, that it is easier to simply install and use both, than trying to work around the missing feature/function in the other one.


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On 05/02/2014, Marcello Romani <[hidden email]> wrote:
> For the record, I've been a happy user of "soffice" even before the 1.0
> release (I started being happy right after they dictched that awful
> desktop-over-desktop Start Office thing ;-)

I miss that! :) And starmail too...

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Il 05/02/2014 21:48, e-letter ha scritto:
> On 05/02/2014, Marcello Romani <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> For the record, I've been a happy user of "soffice" even before the 1.0
>> release (I started being happy right after they dictched that awful
>> desktop-over-desktop Start Office thing ;-)
>
> I miss that! :) And starmail too...

Who doesn't? So snappy... especially considering how powerful the PCs
were back then :)


(BTW that was obviously supposed to read StarOffice, not StarT Office -
what a window-ish name! :-P )

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Hi :)
I used to like the Netscape email client.  After it went into Firefox
and then shoved into Seamonkey it seemed to lose lots of what i felt
made it so powerful.  Many times after sending an email Netscape
allowed me to delete it from the other person's server.

I've heard that a lot of people prefer Claws precisely because it is
so tiny and powerful but i've not seen one that can do all Netscape
did.
Regards from
Tom :)



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> Il 05/02/2014 21:48, e-letter ha scritto:
>>
>> On 05/02/2014, Marcello Romani <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> For the record, I've been a happy user of "soffice" even before the 1.0
>>> release (I started being happy right after they dictched that awful
>>> desktop-over-desktop Start Office thing ;-)
>>
>>
>> I miss that! :) And starmail too...
>
>
> Who doesn't? So snappy... especially considering how powerful the PCs were
> back then :)
>
>
> (BTW that was obviously supposed to read StarOffice, not StarT Office - what
> a window-ish name! :-P )
>
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