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Hello *,

could be someone have a look at

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67430

The whole properties are sorted in a "new" way - or should I better say
the old sorting of the properties is destroyed. I don't know if this
should be a feature or a bug.
When I will create forms I now have to search many time to find the
property in the dialog. First I thought there had been added properties ...

Regards

Robert
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Robert Großkopf <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello *,

could be someone have a look at

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67430

The whole properties are sorted in a "new" way - or should I better say
the old sorting of the properties is destroyed. I don't know if this
should be a feature or a bug.
When I will create forms I now have to search many time to find the
property in the dialog. First I thought there had been added properties ...

Regards

Robert



I took a look at your bug ticket. The properties list is in alphabetical order , this is not a bug
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Hi Mas,

>
>> Hello *,
>>
>> could be someone have a look at
>>
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67430
>>
>> The whole properties are sorted in a "new" way - or should I better say
>> the old sorting of the properties is destroyed. I don't know if this
>> should be a feature or a bug.
>> When I will create forms I now have to search many time to find the
>> property in the dialog. First I thought there had been added properties ...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
>
>
> I took a look at your bug ticket. The properties list is in alphabetical
> order , this is not a bug
>
That's wrong. I have answered in the bug-report and will do it here for
all other again:

"
I don't know, what you mean with alphabetical order:
Nearly at the top of the list I see "Visible". "Anchor" is nearly at the
bottom.

There is no order in English.

OK, my Desktop runs under German language. Lets see:
Second entrance is "Hintergrundfarbe". Last entrance is "Breite".

There isn't any visible order in this properties. An alphabethical order
wouldn't work, when there is no function, which sorts the properties in
the right way of different languages. "

There is an attachment to the report - it shows no alphabetical order.

I have reopened the bug-report.

Regards

Robert
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Robert Großkopf <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Mas,
>
>> Hello *,
>>
>> could be someone have a look at
>>
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67430
>>
>> The whole properties are sorted in a "new" way - or should I better say
>> the old sorting of the properties is destroyed. I don't know if this
>> should be a feature or a bug.
>> When I will create forms I now have to search many time to find the
>> property in the dialog. First I thought there had been added properties ...
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
>
>
> I took a look at your bug ticket. The properties list is in alphabetical
> order , this is not a bug
>
That's wrong. I have answered in the bug-report and will do it here for
all other again:

"
I don't know, what you mean with alphabetical order:
Nearly at the top of the list I see "Visible". "Anchor" is nearly at the
bottom.

There is no order in English.

OK, my Desktop runs under German language. Lets see:
Second entrance is "Hintergrundfarbe". Last entrance is "Breite".

There isn't any visible order in this properties. An alphabethical order
wouldn't work, when there is no function, which sorts the properties in
the right way of different languages. "

There is an attachment to the report - it shows no alphabetical order.

I have reopened the bug-report.

Regards

Robert

I viewed your attachment again .  The screen shot was presented in English and if you notice under the general tab. The list goes from A-Z -- alignment being the first and background color being next.  This is called alphabetical order from A-Z

 I checked under releases 4.1.03 and 4.1.04 Window and Linux. They are setup the same way.

see attached from my version , We can possibly file this under a feature request instead of a bug 
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Hi Mas,

>>
>
> I viewed your attachment again .  The screen shot was presented in
> English and if you notice under the general tab. The list goes from
> A-Z -- alignment being the first and background color being next.
> This is called alphabetical order from A-Z
>
>  I checked under releases 4.1.03 and 4.1.04 Window and Linux. They are
> setup the same way.
>
>
> see attached from my version , We can possibly file this under a feature
> request instead of a bug

Your attachment doesn't show the whole field-properties of a form in
base I presented. I'm not interested into a long discussion and writing
down all the properties here. But I have written the part you have attached:

1 Alignment
2 Background color
3 Border
4 Border color
5 Default text
6 Password character
7 Visible
8 Enabled
9 Font
10 Height
11 Help Text
12 Hide selection
13 Label Field
14 Text lines end with
15 Max. text length

That is the order of your screenshot. I put it into Calc and let it
order in alphabethical form:

1 Alignment
2 Background color
3 Border
4 Border color
5 Default text
8 Enabled
9 Font
10 Height
11 Help Text
12 Hide selection
13 Label Field
15 Max. text length
6 Password character
14 Text lines end with
7 Visible

That is the alphabethical order of Calc. The first five fields are
ordered alphabethical. So please don't close a bug with the argument the
order is alphabetical, if it isn't. Say it is chaotically and I love
chaotically LO - and if many people of this list will aggree it might be
OK (for alle the people, who loves chaos, not for people, who will work
with software). Then I wouldn't open the bug again and will leave this
projekt.
Alphabetical order isn't an argument. The changing of the order by
groups (Anchor together with Height and Width and Positionx and
PositionY for example) to no order is a regression in usability. I think
nobody has changed this behavior from LO 4.0 to LO 4.1 with this
intention. There has been changed something at another point and nobody
noticed, that this would change the usability of the editing of form-fields.

Robert
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Robert Großkopf <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Mas,
>>
>
> I viewed your attachment again .  The screen shot was presented in
> English and if you notice under the general tab. The list goes from
> A-Z -- alignment being the first and background color being next.
> This is called alphabetical order from A-Z
>
>  I checked under releases 4.1.03 and 4.1.04 Window and Linux. They are
> setup the same way.
>
>
> see attached from my version , We can possibly file this under a feature
> request instead of a bug

Your attachment doesn't show the whole field-properties of a form in
base I presented. I'm not interested into a long discussion and writing
down all the properties here. But I have written the part you have attached:

1       Alignment
2       Background color
3       Border
4       Border color
5       Default text
6       Password character
7       Visible
8       Enabled
9       Font
10      Height
11      Help Text
12      Hide selection
13      Label Field
14      Text lines end with
15      Max. text length

That is the order of your screenshot. I put it into Calc and let it
order in alphabethical form:

1       Alignment
2       Background color
3       Border
4       Border color
5       Default text
8       Enabled
9       Font
10      Height
11      Help Text
12      Hide selection
13      Label Field
15      Max. text length
6       Password character
14      Text lines end with
7       Visible

That is the alphabethical order of Calc. The first five fields are
ordered alphabethical. So please don't close a bug with the argument the
order is alphabetical, if it isn't. Say it is chaotically and I love
chaotically LO - and if many people of this list will aggree it might be
OK (for alle the people, who loves chaos, not for people, who will work
with software). Then I wouldn't open the bug again and will leave this
projekt.
Alphabetical order isn't an argument. The changing of the order by
groups (Anchor together with Height and Width and Positionx and
PositionY for example) to no order is a regression in usability. I think
nobody has changed this behavior from LO 4.0 to LO 4.1 with this
intention. There has been changed something at another point and nobody
noticed, that this would change the usability of the editing of form-fields.

Robert



I will research this further and reply to the bug ticket.  Thanks 
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Mas <[hidden email]> wrote:



On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Robert Großkopf <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Mas,
>>
>
> I viewed your attachment again .  The screen shot was presented in
> English and if you notice under the general tab. The list goes from
> A-Z -- alignment being the first and background color being next.
> This is called alphabetical order from A-Z
>
>  I checked under releases 4.1.03 and 4.1.04 Window and Linux. They are
> setup the same way.
>
>
> see attached from my version , We can possibly file this under a feature
> request instead of a bug

Your attachment doesn't show the whole field-properties of a form in
base I presented. I'm not interested into a long discussion and writing
down all the properties here. But I have written the part you have attached:

1       Alignment
2       Background color
3       Border
4       Border color
5       Default text
6       Password character
7       Visible
8       Enabled
9       Font
10      Height
11      Help Text
12      Hide selection
13      Label Field
14      Text lines end with
15      Max. text length

That is the order of your screenshot. I put it into Calc and let it
order in alphabethical form:

1       Alignment
2       Background color
3       Border
4       Border color
5       Default text
8       Enabled
9       Font
10      Height
11      Help Text
12      Hide selection
13      Label Field
15      Max. text length
6       Password character
14      Text lines end with
7       Visible

That is the alphabethical order of Calc. The first five fields are
ordered alphabethical. So please don't close a bug with the argument the
order is alphabetical, if it isn't. Say it is chaotically and I love
chaotically LO - and if many people of this list will aggree it might be
OK (for alle the people, who loves chaos, not for people, who will work
with software). Then I wouldn't open the bug again and will leave this
projekt.
Alphabetical order isn't an argument. The changing of the order by
groups (Anchor together with Height and Width and Positionx and
PositionY for example) to no order is a regression in usability. I think
nobody has changed this behavior from LO 4.0 to LO 4.1 with this
intention. There has been changed something at another point and nobody
noticed, that this would change the usability of the editing of form-fields.

Robert



I will research this further and reply to the bug ticket.  Thanks 
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The issue has been patch under the bug ..  please review the bug report and report back if you continue to have a problem 


Bug notes:
Stephan Bergmann committed a patch related to this issue.
It has been pushed to "libreoffice-4-1":

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=b23a866a93e42467ef42c2d46735e1ffcf6f1c78&h=libreoffice-4-1

fdo#67430 Keep original order of entry positions, not alphabetically sorted


It will be available in LibreOffice 4.1.1.

The patch should be included in the daily builds available at
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/ in the next 24-48 hours. More
information about daily builds can be found at:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Testing_Daily_Builds
Affected users are encouraged to test the fix and report feedback.
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