[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-08-07

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[Libreoffice-qa] Minutes of ESC call: 2014-08-07

* Present:
    + Stephan, Lionel, Christian, Eike, Kendy, Adam, Moggi, Andras, Muthu, Norbert, Miklos, Robinson, Michael S.
 
* Completed Action Items
    + branch / git access for OS X 10.5 - Doug (Norbert)
        + Norbert will ping Doug about how to use that
 
* Pending Action Items:
    + ask UX advise wrt. wrench icons (revert or not ?) (Astron)
    + blog about the sad realities of web plugins (Bjoern)
    + setup some VM's that can be created on-demand (Cloph)
        + done for the hackfest, non-public
        + working on creating a public machine
    + open-source newer Synezip tests / speak at the conference (Umesh)
    + Ask for 1-2 more dev-list moderators & re-visit next-week (Michael)
    + contact Michael / the list when students show up (Jan Marek)
    + help Cloph with the quickstarter disabling (Andras)
 
* GSOC Update (Cedric)
    + at least 6 students will be at the conference in Bern
    + a student presentation slot has been created:
        + thus students can prepare a 5-6 minute lightning talk on their project
    + August 11th - suggested pencils down (http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014)
        + * the last 4 days remaining! *
        + merge the code to master!
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
    + 4.3.0 retrospective / MABs ...
    + 4.3.1 status
        + RC1 late
            + tagged yesterday, Windows uploading, will announce after the call
        + RC2 end of the next week
            + 15th to be tagged
    + 4.3.1 late feature
        + OpenGL context on OSX including 3D models in impress (Markus)
            + building, but still some runtime errors
                + to RC2 if Moggi manages to sort them out
                +
        + Windows quickstarter status https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/10669/
            + checkbox in the installer seems to cause problems :-(
            + reverted the right way, but still has problems
            + Andras will check it
        + tooling fix related to permissions (Cloph)
    + Android Remote
 
* Crashtest update (Markus)
    + http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/crashtest/fe817d66727e0bdebbb8885708a28a4e60277583/
    + new results - complete run
    + script will from now on mail the dev list when it finishes
 
* Certification Committee (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy)
    + waiting until ~September
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
    + Munich hack-fest (Jan-Marek):
        http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/
        + will have a BSP come-together; if someone says they're coming
          just show up etc.
           + November 21st-23rd, 2014
           https://wiki.debian.org/BSP/2014/11/de/Munich
           + we should drop by with 2 or 3 developers, if possible
    + Toulouse Hackfest ...
        + Confirmed for Nov. 15-16th
        + more details: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Toulouse2014
    + Be great to have -really- easy easy hacks for devs (Bjoern)
 
* QA (Robinson)
 
* UX Update (Astron / Mirek)
 
* Bern Conference
    + book your hotels!
 
* QA stats:
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
    +235    -228        (+7 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        QA Administrators   110
        Maxim Monastirsky   14
        tommy27              9
        ign_christian        7
        Michael Stahl        7
        Jay Philips          6
        raal                 5
        Michel Dänzer        5
        Adolfo Jayme         5
        sophie               4
        Owen Genat           3
 
* Open 4.4 MAB
  + 4/8 3/7 3/7 2/5 1/2 1/1
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=79641&hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.3 MAB
  + 14/50 11/47 14/47 14/45 19/43 10/32 6/27 5/24 5/22 3/20 5/16 4/12 2/8 3/7 2/5
     28%   23%   29%   33%   44%   31%   22%  20%  22%  15%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=75025&hide_resolved=1
 
* Open 4.2 MAB
  + 83/243 84/236 85/235 82/229 81/222 76/215 74/212 74/210 71/207 71/205 73/200
     34%     35%    36%    35%    36%    35%    34%    35%    34%    34%    36%
  + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=65675&hide_resolved=1
 
* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
  + 127/349 119/331 102/308 92/296 84/283 84/280 81/274 79/265 75/259 70/249
    + http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q
 
* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 439(+12) bugs open of 2944(+42) total
        * ~Component   count net *
                Writer - 132 (+5)
           Spreadsheet - 78 (-2)
               Crashes - 31 (-1)
          Presentation - 29 (+2)
                    UI - 27 (+0)
           Libreoffice - 27 (+0)
              Graphics - 22 (+0)
              Database - 21 (+0)
               Borders - 19 (+2)
               Filters - 14 (+1)
               Drawing - 13 (+0)
           Print / PDF - 11 (+0)
                 Chart -  7 (+0)
               Formula -  5 (+0)
            Extensions -  5 (+0)
                 BASIC -  5 (+1)
          Installation -  4 (+1)
             framework -  3 (+0)
            Linguistic -  3 (+0)
                   sdk -  0 (+0)
             Migration -  0 (+?)
        Impress Remote -  0 (+?)
  + http://bit.ly/15mM2Yn - for devs ( no NEEDINFO / UNCONFIRMED )


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Re: Minutes of ESC call: 2014-08-07

On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Jan Holesovsky <[hidden email]> wrote:
>     + help Cloph with the quickstarter disabling (Andras)
>         + Windows quickstarter status https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/10669/
>             + checkbox in the installer seems to cause problems :-(
>             + reverted the right way, but still has problems
>             + Andras will check it

See https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/10817/ If we do not package
quickstarter.exe, then the installer will not offer Quickstart feature
as an optional component, and the checkbox will not be displayed on
the last page of installer wizard. It is the cleanest solution and it
can be reverted easily, when the correct functionality is restored.

Cheers,
Andras
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Re: Minutes of ESC call: 2014-08-07

In reply to this post by Jan Holesovsky-4
On Thu, 2014-08-07 at 19:02 +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> * Pending Action Items:
>     + ...
>     + setup some VM's that can be created on-demand (Cloph)
>         + done for the hackfest, non-public
>         + working on creating a public machine

I think that a publicly available VM set up for testing--especially
for testing Base--would be useful, something like Drew Jensen started
working on a few years ago
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/baseQA_VM>.

Resources permitting, I can imagine the following being useful:
(*) LibreOffice stuff:
      - The bibisect-43all repository
      - The daily dbgutil bibisect repository
      - The release builds which are getting bug reports.
      - One non-Latin language and its dictionary
      - One right-to-left language and its dictionary
      - One ideographic language and its dictionary
(*) System stuff:
      - such JRE's as can conveniently coexist (although, it is a
        while since I remember a bug report peculiar to a particular
        JRE)
      - gdb (and lots of memory)
      - valgrind
      - the most common desktop managers

This might allow triagers to work with things (I think of database
engines) that they do not have access to or which they do not feel
competent to set up.

Terry.


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Re: Minutes of ESC call: 2014-08-07

Hi Terrence,

On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 07:30:12PM -0400, Terrence Enger wrote:
> I think that a publicly available VM set up for testing--especially
> for testing Base--would be useful, something like Drew Jensen started
> working on a few years ago
> <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Drew/baseQA_VM>.

FWIW, I am trying to reserve some TDF funding for something along those lines
right now. Money is likely the easy part of this problem, someone caring and
coordinating the work to set this all up would be great. Would you maybe be
interested in helping out there?

Best,

Bjoern
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Re: Minutes of ESC call: 2014-08-07

On Fri, 2014-08-08 at 10:59 +0200, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:
in response to my suggestion for a publicly available VM for testing:
> Hi Terrence,
>
> FWIW, I am trying to reserve some TDF funding for something along those lines
> right now. Money is likely the easy part of this problem, someone caring and
> coordinating the work to set this all up would be great. Would you maybe be
> interested in helping out there?

Yes, I am eager to do what I can.

I have a bit of experience with VM setup, but not much and not recent.
(But it is a *lot* more recent than my experience with COBOL <grin />.)
So, it will be a learning exercise for me, and you should not expect
the results to be entirely smooth.

Terry.

>
> Best,
>
> Bjoern


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