[Libreoffice-qa] Second Opinion Needed

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[Libreoffice-qa] Second Opinion Needed

I have closed this bug twice as NOTABUG but the user does not agree so
requesting second opinion:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81627


Thanks


Best,
Joel

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Re: Second Opinion Needed

Sorry to be long-winded.  I am too tired to write shorter.

On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 21:19 -0700, Joel Madero wrote:
> I have closed this bug twice as NOTABUG but the user does not agree so
> requesting second opinion:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81627

That report is "FILESAVE: Keystrokes/characters typed while
AutoRecovery/Autosave happens aren't registered".

When I first saw that behaviour, it impressed me as a bug.  It is
particularly annoying in two circumstances:
(1) Typing without looking at the screen.  Yes, some of us still do
    that, and for good reasons.
(2) Working in a large document on an overtaxed computer.  It is not
    that I create large documents; rather it is useful to make notes
    while working through some else's document.  For example, autosave
    can make me wait over a minute just to type "Yup, that works"
    somewhere in the 587 pages of Andrew Pitonyak's "OpenOffice.org
    Macros Explained"
    <file:///home/terry/lo_hacking/notes/OOME_3_0.odt>.  As for the
    ODF specification ... it is beyond thinking about.

The suggested workaround of turning off autosave applies, I think, to
everything you do in LibreOffice, not to one document.  So, it is more
drastic than one would wish.

Perhaps a compromise disposition would be to accept the report as a
Request For Enhancement.  But then we get immediately into the
questions: How responsive should the UI be during an autosave?  At
what cost in programming effort?  At what cost in machine usage,
remembering that we want a solution for Win too?  If LibreOffice
merely saves keystrokes for processing after completion of the
autosave, the result could be more confusing than the existing
situation.

I wish I had a clear opinion to offer.  I am beginning to remember why
I never got around to filing that RFE <grin />.

Terry.


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Re: Second Opinion Needed

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Am 22.07.2014 06:19, schrieb Joel Madero:
> I have closed this bug twice as NOTABUG but the user does not agree so
> requesting second opinion:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81627

Here comes a third opinion ... ;-)

It clearly *is* a bug as it clearly works "against" the user.

If the software is designed to work against the user, then it is not a bug.

But I don't believe, that LibreOffice is designed to work that bad!
Therefore, please reopen the bug. If you like, you may call it an
enhencement request, because this "design bug" has not been thought of until
now. But now it has come up and therefore needs to be acknoledged.

As it clearly is "unwanted behavior", the classification "NOTABUG" is
clearly the wrongest possible decision.

Sorry, my 2 cents.
Nino




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Re: Second Opinion Needed

Couldn't agree more with Nino's answer.

If people are loosing data (i.e. typed words while not looking at the screen) then there is a problem.

It is NOT a BUG but it is clearly a LIMITATION. It must be possible to save in the background while input continues... Obviously the words typed since Autorecover starts will only be included in the next Autorecover...

It should be changed to Enhancement instead of closing as NOTABUG

Just my 2 cents...
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Hi Joel, All,

This issue has bugged me for a while in both gedit and libreoffice,
especially as i have autosave running every minute. But the benefits it
has brought have over weighed the negatives in the last week or so, as
i've been working in calc on stats for my toolbar proposal [bug 81475]
and calc has crashed pretty much everyday on general stuff like undo,
sorting, pasting, editing a cell, etc. Unfortunately, most of these are
not reproducible, so i havent been able to submit bug reports.

So i've gotten use to pressing backspace when keys that i've typed have
not been entered because its autosaving. If i could suggest how this
could be impoved, i would suggest that after the autosave time has run
out, LibO waits for the user to stop typing (e.g. user hasnt pressed a
key in 1 or 2 seconds) and then autosave. Of course if the user hasnt
stopped typing in 10% of the autosave time, it should autosave anyway.
Just another 2 cents.

Regards,
Jay Philips

On 07/22/2014 08:19 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

> I have closed this bug twice as NOTABUG but the user does not agree so
> requesting second opinion:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81627
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Best,
> Joel
>
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