[Libreoffice-qa] regression keyword

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Terrence Enger Terrence Enger
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[Libreoffice-qa] regression keyword

Hello, All,

I was surprised to read in "QA/BugTriage"
<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage#Keywords> ...

    Use the keyword regression if the previous minor version or
    bugfix release works correctly. Please do not mark older bugs
    as regressions.

Is this restriction to *recent* regressions right?

Thanks,
Terry.


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Re: regression keyword

Hi Terrence,

Terrence Enger wrote on 22-04-16 22:23:

>     Use the keyword regression if the previous minor version or
>     bugfix release works correctly. Please do not mark older bugs
>     as regressions.
>
> Is this restriction to *recent* regressions right?

Thanks for notifying.
To be honest, I've not noticed that before. Or deleted it from my memory
directly after seeing ;)
Such a rule would seem illogic to me too.

Now the wiki says " Fresh regressions are usually pretty annoying for
affected users and easier to fix. Thus they are treated with a higher
priority by the developers. On the other hand, if it takes months or
years to report a regression, it must be in a less used functionality.
People are used to live with it, and thus it is less important. "

Which may partly be true, but not so logic.
- The importance of a bug does not solely depend on the number of people
that are affected.
- Nor is it impossible that a bug (regression) is discovered or reported
late, since not all features are used by all and some user-types tend to
start with newer versions relatively late.
- Nevertheless, it is of course expected that regressions with
wide/major impact are reported soon.
- Still I would suggest to use the keyword always and let developers
decide on when to act, or not.
Apart from that, the keyword is used for statistics and it's
questionable to influence those by debatable rules ;)

Makes sense?
Cor


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Re: regression keyword

Cor Nouws wrote on 22-04-16 22:59:

> Now the wiki says " Fresh regressions are usually pretty annoying for
> ...

Was added back in 2012 by Peter Mladek.
Better update that?

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Re: regression keyword

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On 22.4.2016 22:59, Cor Nouws wrote:

> Hi Terrence,
>
> Terrence Enger wrote on 22-04-16 22:23:
>
>>     Use the keyword regression if the previous minor version or
>>     bugfix release works correctly. Please do not mark older bugs
>>     as regressions.
>>
>> Is this restriction to *recent* regressions right?
>
> Thanks for notifying.
> To be honest, I've not noticed that before. Or deleted it from my memory
> directly after seeing ;)
> Such a rule would seem illogic to me too.
>
> Now the wiki says " Fresh regressions are usually pretty annoying for
> affected users and easier to fix. Thus they are treated with a higher
> priority by the developers. On the other hand, if it takes months or
> years to report a regression, it must be in a less used functionality.
> People are used to live with it, and thus it is less important. "
>
> Which may partly be true, but not so logic.
> - The importance of a bug does not solely depend on the number of people
> that are affected.
> - Nor is it impossible that a bug (regression) is discovered or reported
> late, since not all features are used by all and some user-types tend to
> start with newer versions relatively late.
> - Nevertheless, it is of course expected that regressions with
> wide/major impact are reported soon.
> - Still I would suggest to use the keyword always and let developers
> decide on when to act, or not.
> Apart from that, the keyword is used for statistics and it's
> questionable to influence those by debatable rules ;)
>
> Makes sense?
> Cor
>
>

+1 from me for change wiki. Regressions are pretty annoying, no matter
how old are they.



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Re: regression keyword

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On 04/22/2016 01:23 PM, Terrence Enger wrote:

> Hello, All,
>
> I was surprised to read in "QA/BugTriage"
> <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage#Keywords> ...
>
>     Use the keyword regression if the previous minor version or
>     bugfix release works correctly. Please do not mark older bugs
>     as regressions.
>
> Is this restriction to *recent* regressions right?
Whoa...yeah that seems really wrong and not at all what we've been
doing. This goes to show that the wiki still needs a lot of cleanup :-/
Thanks for catching this.


Best,
Joel
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Re: [solved] regression keyword

In reply to this post by Terrence Enger
On Fri, 2016-04-22 at 16:23 -0400, Terrence Enger wrote asking whether
keyword "regression" should be used when working version is old.  

I thank Cor Nouws, Raal, and Joel Madero for their answers, all of them
affirmative.  We have amended the wiki page accordingly.


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