[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 87714] New: CONTEXT MENU: Better integration with image editing apps

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 87714] New: CONTEXT MENU: Better integration with image editing apps

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            Bug ID: 87714
           Summary: CONTEXT MENU: Better integration with image editing
                    apps
           Product: LibreOffice
           Version: 4.5.0.0.alpha0+ Master
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: NEW
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: medium
         Component: ux-advise
          Assignee: [hidden email]
          Reporter: [hidden email]
                CC: [hidden email]
            Blocks: 86349

As LO does not have image editing capabilities, it would be better to have
direct edit linking between LO and other image editing applications (primarily
open source ones), rather than simply having 'Edit with External Tool'
(.uno:ExternalEdit) load up the image in its default viewer, as most default
viewers dont have editing capabilities.

So i'd like to suggest that LO check for the following list of image editors

== Linux ==

GIMP - /usr/bin/gimp
Pinta - /usr/bin/pinta
Showfoto - /usr/bin/showfoto
gThumb - /usr/bin/gthumb

== Windows ==

GIMP
Pinta
Showfoto
Paint - c:\system32\mspaint.exe
Paint.Net
Photoshop

== Mac OS X ==

GIMP
Pinta
Showfoto
Paintbrush - http://paintbrush.sourceforge.net/
Photoshop
Pixelmator

With the ability to detect these external editors, we could have an edit image
context entry like this.

Edit Image With
  GIMP
  Pinta
  --
  Default Viewer

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 87714] CONTEXT MENU: Better integration with image editing apps

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--- Comment #1 from A (Andy) <[hidden email]> ---
Great idea, because for me EDIT WITH EXTERNAL TOOL opens the standard windows
photo viewer, where I have no editing capabilities and therefore I never use
this function yet.
But would it also be possible that you could select between the different
installed software instead of only select out of a preselected software list,
because then it is not unlikely that LO does not list the right programme,
because there are so many existing programmes besides Jay's list like
PhotoFiltre, LightZone, ViewNX, XnView, Microsoft Picture Manager, Aperture,
Photoscape, etc.  In addition, I don't think it is good to focus mainly on open
source software.  Therefore, best it would be if LO would detect on its own all
installed graphic programmes and offer them, otherwise the list should be
extended.
Regarding Photoshop there is also a whole family (Ps, Lithroom, Elements).

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--- Comment #2 from Adolfo Jayme (UX) <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to A (Andy) from comment #1)
> Great idea, because for me EDIT WITH EXTERNAL TOOL opens the standard
> windows photo viewer, where I have no editing capabilities

Yes, but if you ever right-clicked an image in Windows Photo Viewer you could
have realized that the context menu it contains an “Open With” item. And as the
program’s name says, it is a *viewer*. Why should you have editing capabilities
there?

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--- Comment #3 from A (Andy) <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme (UX) from comment #2)
> (In reply to A (Andy) from comment #1)
> > Great idea, because for me EDIT WITH EXTERNAL TOOL opens the standard
> > windows photo viewer, where I have no editing capabilities
>
> Yes, but if you ever right-clicked an image in Windows Photo Viewer you
> could have realized that the context menu it contains an “Open With” item.
> And as the program’s name says, it is a *viewer*. Why should you have
> editing capabilities there?

Well, of course I know that the Windows Photo Viewer is only a viewer and has
no editing capabilities and this is from my point of view exactly the
inconsistency in LO and what I wanted to say and as I understood Jay.  The LO
context menu says EDIT WITH EXTERNAL TOOL and not OPEN WITH EXTERNAL TOOL.  And
as a user if I see/select EDIT I expect that I can edit it directly with an
image editor and not maybe only open it and maybe later edit it after further
mouse clicks.  Otherwise, we should maybe rename it to OPEN WITH EXTERNAL TOOL
then this would from my point of view be more consistent, because this could
then be a viewer and also an image editor.
As you wrote Windows Photo Viewer also uses the term "Open with" and we use
Edit With, but in real we have to admit that is actually currently only an Open
With?

But from my point of view I would prefer to have the possibility to open an
image editor directly from LO, because I don't need a simple viewer, because I
can see the image already in LO, but I can not really edit it there.  But if I
edit it in the image editor then the changed image must also appear in LO (is
this already the case?).  

Is my understanding right, that you want to keep that it could be opened with
the windows photo viewer?  And if yes, what would you then think about a
renaming to "Open With External Tool"?  What is your opinion?

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--- Comment #4 from Jay Philips <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme (UX) from comment #2)
> Yes, but if you ever right-clicked an image in Windows Photo Viewer you
> could have realized that the context menu it contains an “Open With” item.
> And as the program’s name says, it is a *viewer*. Why should you have
> editing capabilities there?

Yes i have to do this run around also on linux as it opens with gThumb. As it
is a viewer, LO shouldnt be loading it into such a program when the entry says
'Edit with External Tool'.

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--- Comment #5 from Adolfo Jayme (UX) <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #4)
> Yes i have to do this run around also on linux as it opens with gThumb. As
> it is a viewer, LO shouldnt be loading it into such a program when the entry
> says 'Edit with External Tool'.

And why not fix the command’s label instead? I agree it’s misleading.

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--- Comment #6 from V Stuart Foote <[hidden email]> ---
No--the action needs to to be labeled "Edit" showing the result of "external"
manipulation will be written back into the LibreOffice ODF if changes are made.
Need to keep that distinction clear.

Regards which helper--presently LibreOffice simply honors per user the OS
assigned default application--if you want to be able to edit, set the file
association on the OS to an appropriate editor, i.e. JPEG --> GIMP, PNG -->
GIMP, SVG --> Inkscape, etc.

Otherwise, most folks will have a Viewer rather than an Editor selected as
default for their OS.

Point is that is it user controlled and easily done from the OS file
association, not LibreOffice. And in fact you can even adjust things so that
the "external" program is LO Draw, if that has the functions you need.

That said, I do like to idea of allowing LibreOffice to catalog the helper
files installed to perform the view/edit--and making that list available for
selection from n a drop down--for alternatives to using the user set default.

In that context it would be a reasonable enhancement--just a fair bit more
work.

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--- Comment #7 from Jay Philips <[hidden email]> ---
Yep the main problem is that most users have images associated with a default
viewer and not editor, so we have to help them out and have LO point to
suitable editors. Most users dont want images associated with an editor, as
they just want to preview the image. Imagine having to open GIMP or Photoshop
every time you tried opening a JPG. That would drive me crazy, primarily
because GIMP takes 10 seconds to load. :D

I believe it should be simplest to get working on Linux as everything is dumped
in /usr/bin/. With Windows we could test the default install location of the
applications, but some users change that path, so it would be more suitable to
check the registry (e.g.
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Applications\Photoshop.exe\shell\open\command\,
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\paint.net [TAREGETDIR]). I have no clues about OSX.
:D

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--- Comment #8 from A (Andy) <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #7)
> Yep the main problem is that most users have images associated with a
> default viewer and not editor, so we have to help them out and have LO point
> to suitable editors. Most users dont want images associated with an editor,
> as they just want to preview the image. Imagine having to open GIMP or
> Photoshop every time you tried opening a JPG. That would drive me crazy,
> primarily because GIMP takes 10 seconds to load. :D

I agree, this is exactly the case for me and most of my friends.  I work mainly
with two - three image editors.  But as standard for previews I want to have
the windows photo viewer, because to load images in the image editors would
take me several seconds.  Therefore, JPGs are linked to the photo viewer.  Only
if I want to edit images I open the image editors directly or I open the images
with them (for normal daily editing as in LO JPGs and for more sophisticated
things RAWs, but which are not yet supported by LO).

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--- Comment #9 from Cor Nouws <[hidden email]> ---
TL-DR ..
What about Tools > Options > Editors ... a field where one or more (separated)
applications can be given?
Parallel with Tools > Options > E-mail ..

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--- Comment #10 from Jay Philips <[hidden email]> ---
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> What about Tools > Options > Editors ... a field where one or more
> (separated) applications can be given?

Yes i think it would be good to have such a section to allow users to add
additional editors not automatically detected (Andy had a long list), but we
should do some automatic detection (even if it is just one per OS - GIMP
[linux], paint.exe [Windows], Not sure what [OSX]), just like we do with java
detection.

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--- Comment #11 from Jay Philips <[hidden email]> ---
Maybe the simplest thing is to show the Open With list of the particular image
type provided my the OS.

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