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Hi Astron, Caolán, Olivier, all,

I'd like to ask you [or any additional reviewers :-)] for review of a
late 4.0 feature - the Firefox Personas for LibreOffice.  It is supposed
to work like this:

- the user chooses Tools -> Options -> Personalization -> Select Persona
- then navigates to http://www.getpersonas.com, and chooses Persona she
  likes
- copies the URL of that Persona to clipboard, pastes that to the
  dialog, [OK]
- closes the Options with [OK]

And the the Persona is used in LibreOffice, like this:

http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/pics/libreoffice-personas-1.png

or

http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/pics/libreoffice-personas-2.png

Depends on the taste - there are 35k Personas to choose from :-)  Of
course, switching the Personas off again is trivial in Tools -> Options
-> Personalization too.

The patches that do that are quite small, in fact just this:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=a2500801cf2d337f176b074f9159df4925420af4
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9ae27252a6a07f4b67a43be6c9289983f43b2e95
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=46505e82ad0f2bd9586e6c853e6e68635dc54007
http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=3fc8c364cc58429bd840f47a80a9258de21ed131

But - there is one catch.  There was no way to load .jpg directly in vcl
(but logically, the functionality belongs there), so I moved
GraphicFilter from svtools to vcl.  The move will also allow
simplification of some code in desktop/ I believe.

Also there were some bugs in vcl that were triggered by the feature; and
I fixed them.  Consequently, the full list of patches to cherry-pick to
libreoffice-4-0 is:

git log 255c03d6ad4ed13c456ee621e0af765684a475d2~..4a4627eba410df933d004170d9f5638526acaed2
git log 540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704~..540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704
git log c223e5ff859171adab1597025b30ec2501fc5771~..3f3d0c52ae29b6ab6b2c10a5557714361aa76a26

Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the review.

Thank you a lot,
Kendy

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Hi Kendy

Jan Holesovsky wrote (07-01-13 11:32)
> Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the review.

Idea looks great to me and is an invitement for futher enhancements in
the future :-)

I gues the code in a daily from 2012-12-28 (1) is not yet complet?
I see the option page, but choosing an own background image does not
work (file picker handling is broken) and a choosen persona is not shown...

Cheers
Cor
1) Version 4.0.0.0.beta2+ (Build ID:
1d7287f8d7984eae98a577f60a8bc0a740fc5e9)


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Hi Cor,

Cor Nouws píše v Po 07. 01. 2013 v 22:56 +0100:

> Idea looks great to me and is an invitement for futher enhancements in
> the future :-)
>
> I gues the code in a daily from 2012-12-28 (1) is not yet complet?
> I see the option page, but choosing an own background image does not
> work (file picker handling is broken) and a choosen persona is not shown...

That's too old, you need a build post 2012-01-04.  The 'own background'
is not working even there, and will be removed from 4.0 if the Persona
part is approved (otherwise both will go).

Regards,
Kendy

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Hi Kendy

I got it working on master. Really nice work and some room or
improvement as well:I wonder if the persona also has a footer to
decorate the LO status bar.

I got a crash on changing a persona to another, but I'll get a traceback
as soon as I can.

Some LibreOffice related personas
http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/gallery/All/search?p=libreoffice&search.x=0&search.y=0

Regards

Olivier

Em 07-01-2013 08:32, Jan Holesovsky escreveu:

> Hi Astron, Caolán, Olivier, all,
>
> I'd like to ask you [or any additional reviewers :-)] for review of a
> late 4.0 feature - the Firefox Personas for LibreOffice.  It is supposed
> to work like this:
>
> - the user chooses Tools -> Options -> Personalization -> Select Persona
> - then navigates to http://www.getpersonas.com, and chooses Persona she
>   likes
> - copies the URL of that Persona to clipboard, pastes that to the
>   dialog, [OK]
> - closes the Options with [OK]
>
> And the the Persona is used in LibreOffice, like this:
>
> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/pics/libreoffice-personas-1.png
>
> or
>
> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/pics/libreoffice-personas-2.png
>
> Depends on the taste - there are 35k Personas to choose from :-)  Of
> course, switching the Personas off again is trivial in Tools -> Options
> -> Personalization too.
>
> The patches that do that are quite small, in fact just this:
>
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=a2500801cf2d337f176b074f9159df4925420af4
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=9ae27252a6a07f4b67a43be6c9289983f43b2e95
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=46505e82ad0f2bd9586e6c853e6e68635dc54007
> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=3fc8c364cc58429bd840f47a80a9258de21ed131
>
> But - there is one catch.  There was no way to load .jpg directly in vcl
> (but logically, the functionality belongs there), so I moved
> GraphicFilter from svtools to vcl.  The move will also allow
> simplification of some code in desktop/ I believe.
>
> Also there were some bugs in vcl that were triggered by the feature; and
> I fixed them.  Consequently, the full list of patches to cherry-pick to
> libreoffice-4-0 is:
>
> git log 255c03d6ad4ed13c456ee621e0af765684a475d2~..4a4627eba410df933d004170d9f5638526acaed2
> git log 540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704~..540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704
> git log c223e5ff859171adab1597025b30ec2501fc5771~..3f3d0c52ae29b6ab6b2c10a5557714361aa76a26
>
> Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the review.
>
> Thank you a lot,
> Kendy
>

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On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Jan Holesovsky <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Please let me know if this is acceptable, and if you need any help with the review.

It would be really nice to get this landed in 4.0. Many users ask for
greater UI customization, and this is a great start. Putting technical
issues aside, I don’t see UX problems in this.
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Hi, Some issues to iron

1) Pressing F4 to open Data sources instanciates the top stripe of the
personas header. Curiously, the Gallery pane does not display the persona.

(image22)

2) Adding many docked toolbars to the header will make the persona run
out of vertical content and artifacts appears (actually, my desktop
background image and applications).

(image 23)


3) (enhancement) Later, we may consider to move the Icon set choice
(View settings) to Personalization settings. Get such personalization in
the same page.

Man, I really like this stuff. Kudos Kendy.

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On 07/01/13 11:32, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>
> http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/blog/pics/libreoffice-personas-2.png

in the second example, it's almost impossible to see some of the toolbar
buttons; i suppose these should grow some kind of high-contrast margin
so they are still visible in backgrounds whose abundance of colour is
only limited by the user's bad taste?


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Hi there,

        I had a quick read; it -looks- rather low-touch - and the graphic
effect is really pleasant; so I'd be well up for merging this.

( git --no-pager log --numstat -u 255c03d6ad4ed13c456ee621e0af765684a475d2~..4a4627eba410df933d004170d9f5638526acaed2 ;
git --no-pager log --numstat -u 540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704~..540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704 ;
git --no-pager log --numstat -u c223e5ff859171adab1597025b30ec2501fc5771~..3f3d0c52ae29b6ab6b2c10a5557714361aa76a26 ) | less

        IIRC we had this feature already for 4.0 for Windows, and this extends
it to Linux+Mac. Having seen some oddness around transparency for Mac in
the past, it would be worth testing there.

        But +1 from me for the -4-0 branch - assuming we can get another couple
of reviews. As a quibble, I'd prefer to see BitmapEx's instead of
BitmapEx*'s being used in the settings - which would simplify the code
and make it less error prone I suspect; BitmapEx::IsEmpty is your
friend :-)

        Otherwise, really nice work !

                Michael.

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Michael Meeks píše v Út 08. 01. 2013 v 14:21 +0000:

> Hi there,
>
> I had a quick read; it -looks- rather low-touch - and the graphic
> effect is really pleasant; so I'd be well up for merging this.
>
> ( git --no-pager log --numstat -u 255c03d6ad4ed13c456ee621e0af765684a475d2~..4a4627eba410df933d004170d9f5638526acaed2 ;
> git --no-pager log --numstat -u 540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704~..540f090a68ae4375a36d0ee6dfbb4a82f28ac704 ;
> git --no-pager log --numstat -u c223e5ff859171adab1597025b30ec2501fc5771~..3f3d0c52ae29b6ab6b2c10a5557714361aa76a26 ) | less
>
> IIRC we had this feature already for 4.0 for Windows, and this extends
> it to Linux+Mac. Having seen some oddness around transparency for Mac in
> the past, it would be worth testing there.
>
> But +1 from me for the -4-0 branch - assuming we can get another couple
> of reviews. As a quibble, I'd prefer to see BitmapEx's instead of
> BitmapEx*'s being used in the settings - which would simplify the code
> and make it less error prone I suspect; BitmapEx::IsEmpty is your
> friend :-)

I took the approval from Cor, Olivier, Adolfo, Michael, and pushed into
4-0 branch for 4.0.0.1 build.

Best Regards,
Petr

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Hi all,

Le 08/01/2013 11:07, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :

> Hi Cor,
>
> Cor Nouws píše v Po 07. 01. 2013 v 22:56 +0100:
>
>> Idea looks great to me and is an invitement for futher enhancements in
>> the future :-)
>>
>> I gues the code in a daily from 2012-12-28 (1) is not yet complet?
>> I see the option page, but choosing an own background image does not
>> work (file picker handling is broken) and a choosen persona is not shown...
>
> That's too old, you need a build post 2012-01-04.  The 'own background'
> is not working even there, and will be removed from 4.0 if the Persona
> part is approved (otherwise both will go).

I tested on build 2013-01-08 on Ubuntu 12.04 and nothing works :-(

Btw, it's a nice feature !
As it's a user's choice, we have not to worry about readability of toobars.


May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ?
- why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ?
- if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have
the choices :
      *Toolbar background*
        O Default
        O Image                  <Select Image...>
        O Firefox Persona        <Select Persona...>

        (I renamed "own image" to "Image")

- would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ?
and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error
loading persona, timeout...).
 From a user pov, it's an expected feed-back before validating.

- to be complete, LO should keep the path of image/url of persona, and
show it below the preview ; and the url should be entered automatically
in the persona dialog.



So my complete suggestion in ascii :

      *Toolbar background*
        O Default
        O Image                  <Select Image...>
        O Firefox Persona        <Select Persona...>

          [Status text, only if error]
        +---------------------------+
        |                           |
        |         preview           |
        |                           |
        |                           |
        +---------------------------+
        path/url : xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx





Thanks,
Michel
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Hi Michel,

Michel Renon píše v St 09. 01. 2013 v 18:15 +0100:

> May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ?
> - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ?
> - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have
> the choices :
>       *Toolbar background*
>         O Default
>         O Image                  <Select Image...>
>         O Firefox Persona        <Select Persona...>
>
> (I renamed "own image" to "Image")

I've updated the wording there already based on the Astron's suggestions
- I hope it works for you too?

> - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ?
> and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error
> loading persona, timeout...).
>  From a user pov, it's an expected feed-back before validating.

Very good idea - unfortunately more for 4.1, it's too late to do it now.
I'll keep it in mind, thank you!

> - to be complete, LO should keep the path of image/url of persona, and
> show it below the preview ; and the url should be entered automatically
> in the persona dialog.

I am not sure if it is useful to pre-file the current URL in the Persona
dialog - it is supposed to be only a place to be pasted with the URL, no
real editing, so...

But showing the current Persona's URL might be good, indeed.

All the best,
Kendy

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Hi Michel, Kendy,

* sorry this comes so late... *

tldr: The background image UI should really go if it won't work.


On 18 January 2013 10:03, Jan Holesovsky <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ?
>> - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ?

Hm ... well, for Firefox, there's a persona builder add-on to do that.
I think it can also upload personas, so in a way, that's covered.

Additionally, of course, the background image functionality still
doesn't work in master – so, given how...
* we would need Kendy to work on this functionality, so it actually works
* we would need string changes to point out that background images and
personas are mutually exclusive (as you (Michel) already noticed)

So, this leads me to believe that we're best of just removing the
background images feature from 4.0.

>> - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have
>> the choices :
>>       *Toolbar background*
>>         O Default
>>         O Image                  <Select Image...>
>>         O Firefox Persona        <Select Persona...>
>>
>>       (I renamed "own image" to "Image")

Overall, I agree to this structure... and I am actually fine with the
shorter option titles – instead of the long options, a short
introductory text above telling users unaware of the feature what
Personas are would be nice (like "Use Personas to customize the
background of your toolbar." not sure if needs any more than that).
Again, this is now a feature for after 4.0.


>> - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ?
>> and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error
>> loading persona, timeout...).

Agree.

* * *

On the design list, I wrote a small critique on the discoverability of
the personas feature comparing it to the Firefox feature without any
real solutions, just fyi...
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-new-old-branding-tp4028724p4030504.html

Astron.
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No, I don’t agree on removing the feature from 4.0. We should improve
its rough edges instead of going the easy way.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Stefan Knorr (Astron)
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Michel, Kendy,
>
> * sorry this comes so late... *
>
> tldr: The background image UI should really go if it won't work.
>
>
> On 18 January 2013 10:03, Jan Holesovsky <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> May i make some suggestions on the pref panel ?
>>> - why not keep the "own image" to select an image in local hd ?
>
> Hm ... well, for Firefox, there's a persona builder add-on to do that.
> I think it can also upload personas, so in a way, that's covered.
>
> Additionally, of course, the background image functionality still
> doesn't work in master – so, given how...
> * we would need Kendy to work on this functionality, so it actually works
> * we would need string changes to point out that background images and
> personas are mutually exclusive (as you (Michel) already noticed)
>
> So, this leads me to believe that we're best of just removing the
> background images feature from 4.0.
>
>>> - if i understand ok (images and personas are exclusive), we can have
>>> the choices :
>>>       *Toolbar background*
>>>         O Default
>>>         O Image                  <Select Image...>
>>>         O Firefox Persona        <Select Persona...>
>>>
>>>       (I renamed "own image" to "Image")
>
> Overall, I agree to this structure... and I am actually fine with the
> shorter option titles – instead of the long options, a short
> introductory text above telling users unaware of the feature what
> Personas are would be nice (like "Use Personas to customize the
> background of your toolbar." not sure if needs any more than that).
> Again, this is now a feature for after 4.0.
>
>
>>> - would it be possible to add a preview of image/persona ?
>>> and a status text if there is an error (error loading image, error
>>> loading persona, timeout...).
>
> Agree.
>
> * * *
>
> On the design list, I wrote a small critique on the discoverability of
> the personas feature comparing it to the Firefox feature without any
> real solutions, just fyi...
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-new-old-branding-tp4028724p4030504.html
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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice

Hi Fitoschido,

On 24 January 2013 17:50, Adolfo Jayme Barrientos <[hidden email]> wrote:
> No, I don’t agree on removing the feature from 4.0. We should improve
> its rough edges instead of going the easy way.

You realise the 4.0.0 RC3 aka the 4.0.0 final release is going to be
tagged beginning of next week and strings have been frozen for some
time? Also, Kendy is on holiday until Monday.

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Stefan Knorr (Astron)
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> You realise the 4.0.0 RC3 aka the 4.0.0 final release is going to be
> tagged beginning of next week and strings have been frozen for some
> time? Also, Kendy is on holiday until Monday.

But still, it’s too late to remove things. Too much hype this feature
has created on blogs already... And people is still yelling that “we
do not care about UI” or something like that...

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Hi Adolfo,

> But still, it’s too late to remove things. Too much hype this feature
> has created on blogs already... And people is still yelling that “we
> do not care about UI” or something like that...

Note that I only spoke about the user-defined background images
feature. Not about the Personas feature. These are two separate (but
mutually exclusive, IIUC) features.

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On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Stefan Knorr (Astron)
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> Note that I only spoke about the user-defined background images
> feature. Not about the Personas feature. These are two separate (but
> mutually exclusive, IIUC) features.
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> Astron.

Sorry, I misread!

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Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] LATE FEATURE: Personas in LibreOffice

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Hi Astron,

Stefan Knorr (Astron) píše v Čt 24. 01. 2013 v 17:28 +0100:

> So, this leads me to believe that we're best of just removing the
> background images feature from 4.0.

I believe I've removed this already for RC1:

http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?h=libreoffice-4-0&id=d8e1fed0f6f83d03a5075cfe3c0c6b10a7d4e167

It is still there in master though, so that I can continue on that there
at some stage; are you seeing it in the 4.0 RC1 or later builds, please?

> Again, this is now a feature for after 4.0.

Yes - might be good to create a Whiteboard for that, maybe?

All the best,
Kendy

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