[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Writer Styles Drop-Down problem

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] Writer Styles Drop-Down problem

Hi,

please notice the following bug, it's about using white font color in
the Styles Drop-Down [1].

What is the best solution for this?

Regards,
Samuel

[1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58161
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Hi Samuel,

Samuel Mehrbrodt píše v Út 11. 12. 2012 v 21:46 +0100:

> please notice the following bug, it's about using white font color in
> the Styles Drop-Down [1].
>
> What is the best solution for this?
>
> [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58161

Good question :-) - I see three possibilities:

- change the font color to black should the name be unreadable
- change the background color to black
- use some pattern for the background when it is default

UX guys - what does sound best to you?

All the best,
Kendy

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On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jan Holesovsky <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Samuel,

Samuel Mehrbrodt píše v Út 11. 12. 2012 v 21:46 +0100:

> please notice the following bug, it's about using white font color in
> the Styles Drop-Down [1].
>
> What is the best solution for this?
>
> [1] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58161

Good question :-) - I see three possibilities:

- change the font color to black should the name be unreadable
- change the background color to black
- use some pattern for the background when it is default

UX guys - what does sound best to you?

I would opt for changing the background, but instead of black, how about a shade of gray.
Here's how I would imagine it: http://ubuntuone.com/4qCSsk66C8mFTSbXFX4NOF .
I tried to keep it distinct from the way a style with white text and a colored background would be displayed  -- hopefully, it's apparent which one is which from the mockup.

BTW, since we're on the topic of the style drop-down, what do you think about the suggestions at http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.ux-advise/1295?
Would any of the two be doable?

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Christoph Noack Christoph Noack
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Hi all!

I did not try the feature yet, but may there be similar cases where the
name of the style is unreadable? For example, if the style defines
"128pt" font size - what will happen in the dropdown?

Am Mittwoch, den 19.12.2012, 10:08 +0100 schrieb Stefan Knorr:
> Hi Mirek, Kendy, all,
>
> On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 20:24 +0100, Mirek M. wrote:
> > I would opt for changing the background, but instead of black, how about a
> > shade of gray.
> > Here's how I would imagine it: http://ubuntuone.com/4qCSsk66C8mFTSbXFX4NOF .

[...]

> I am not really sure this is the best idea here, because it only looks a
> bit different than a normal black background. Additionally, the rounded
> outline doesn't really work well together with the square selection.
>
> Another idea I had was to not change anything about the style itself,
> but just add a "warning" triangle ( /!\ ) or some other icon on the
> right side that would say "this style might be unreadable". What do you
> think?

My proposal: If a style's name is unreadable (for whatever reason), then
the style's name could be written on a small label on the style preview.
See the attached image.

Details:
      * The background element is connected to the left side of the
        dropdown, to avoid the impression that this is the style
        preview.
      * If the style is selected, and the style name might then be
        readable, then the label might be removed.
      * If the label still confuses users, then a small (info) icon
        could be added (see attached image v2). But to me, it adds too
        much visual noise ...
      * It works with any kind of non-readable previews (font color,
        font size, ...) and any kind of preview (font, patterns, ...).
      * I did not use any checkboard pattern for the background (like in
        graphics software), since I assume that those patterns are
        rarely known for office users. Although people would then see
        "some" parts of Heading 2, users will know after applying the
        style.

By the way, if such a label gets used, then it might be a good idea to
check where it can be used as well - to avoid too much inconsistency
within LibO.

Cheers,
Christoph

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Hi everyone,

On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Stefan Knorr <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Mirek, Kendy, all,

On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 20:24 +0100, Mirek M. wrote:
> I would opt for changing the background, but instead of black, how about a
> shade of gray.
> Here's how I would imagine it: http://ubuntuone.com/4qCSsk66C8mFTSbXFX4NOF .
> I tried to keep it distinct from the way a style with white text and a
> colored background would be displayed  -- hopefully, it's apparent which
> one is which from the mockup.

I am not really sure this is the best idea here, because it only looks a
bit different than a normal black background. Additionally, the rounded
outline doesn't really work well together with the square selection.

You're right. 

Another idea I had was to not change anything about the style itself,
but just add a "warning" triangle ( /!\ ) or some other icon on the
right side that would say "this style might be unreadable". What do you
think?

I really like the idea, and I prefer it to Christoph's suggestion.
Rather than a warning, though, I'd make the icon (and its on-hover label) more informative, as a) on a black background, white text would be readable and black unreadable, so the label would be false then, and b) as Christoph points out, the preview has a font size limit, so there's an icon needed for that as well.

So I would propose these triangular icons:
* white text: a white "a" on a black background
* large text: the lower part of a large "a" cut off by the rectangle shape

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