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Line spacing changed.

Hi. Since updating to LO 5.2.... the text of existing documents from I
think 5.0... flows further down the page by about 1 line/page. There is
no change to wrapping (the text is not longer) but the line spacing is
greater and the document layout is mucked up. Changing line spacing in
the default paragraph style to proportional (98%) resolves the issue.

I wonder if anyone else has noticed, would it be considered a bug or is
increased line spacing a readability feature.
Steve

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Virgil Arrington Virgil Arrington
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Re: Line spacing changed.

On 11/21/2016 10:53 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:

> Hi. Since updating to LO 5.2.... the text of existing documents from I
> think 5.0... flows further down the page by about 1 line/page. There
> is no change to wrapping (the text is not longer) but the line spacing
> is greater and the document layout is mucked up. Changing line spacing
> in the default paragraph style to proportional (98%) resolves the issue.
>
> I wonder if anyone else has noticed, would it be considered a bug or
> is increased line spacing a readability feature.
> Steve
>

Are all things equal, i.e., same fonts on the same system? Some fonts
have different default line spacing than others. For example, Palatino
Linotype's default "single" space line spacing is noticeably wider than
Georgia's. If you're using a document that was created in Windows on a
Linux system or vice-versa, the original fonts might be swapped out for
an equivalent on the second OS, which may have different line spacing.

I've not yet upgraded to 5.2, preferring to stay with the 5.1 family for
now, so I can't confirm your experience, but I'd first check with the
fonts. They all have different concepts of "single" or "double" spacing
built in.

Virgil

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steveedmonds steveedmonds
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Re: Line spacing changed.

Hi.

On 2016-11-23 02:20, Virgil Arrington wrote:

> On 11/21/2016 10:53 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
>> Hi. Since updating to LO 5.2.... the text of existing documents from I
>> think 5.0... flows further down the page by about 1 line/page. There
>> is no change to wrapping (the text is not longer) but the line spacing
>> is greater and the document layout is mucked up. Changing line spacing
>> in the default paragraph style to proportional (98%) resolves the issue.
>>
>> I wonder if anyone else has noticed, would it be considered a bug or
>> is increased line spacing a readability feature.
>> Steve
>>
> Are all things equal, i.e., same fonts on the same system? Some fonts
> have different default line spacing than others. For example, Palatino
> Linotype's default "single" space line spacing is noticeably wider than
> Georgia's. If you're using a document that was created in Windows on a
> Linux system or vice-versa, the original fonts might be swapped out for
> an equivalent on the second OS, which may have different line spacing.
>
> I've not yet upgraded to 5.2, preferring to stay with the 5.1 family for
> now, so I can't confirm your experience, but I'd first check with the
> fonts. They all have different concepts of "single" or "double" spacing
> built in.
>
> Virgil
>
Same computer, same fonts, I now use arial exclusively as I had similar
issues in the past with a system and LO update which I put font
substitution of the previously used font not being available. Nothing
changed except updating LO.
Steve


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Virgil Arrington Virgil Arrington
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On 11/22/2016 01:46 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> Same computer, same fonts, I now use arial exclusively as I had
> similar issues in the past with a system and LO update which I put
> font substitution of the previously used font not being available.
> Nothing changed except updating LO.
> Steve
>

Sorry, but I'm stumped now. My computer knowledge is fairly limited.
Hopefully somebody else who knows more than I can help.

Virgil


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Re: Line spacing changed.

If you're up for experimenting, save the altered document as either an fodt or pdf, and then check to see what fonts are actually included in those. With fodt, open the file in a text editor - not a word processor; you'll be able to look through the style listings to see what fonts are actually used. For pdf files, Acrobat Reader lets you see a list of embedded fonts.

Depending on the number of fonts used in your document, this may or may not help you figure out if Writer has decided to substitute one or more of those fonts (it gives no indication in the program that it has done so). Also be aware that if LibreOffice replaced the version of some existing font on your system, that could also explain what is happening. Look at the dates on the font files being used (they're in different locations depending on the OS, whether they're installed just for you or for all users, etc. so I can't help you there). Since you likely don't know what dates were on the font files before the LO update, this won't really tell you anything unless the date stands out as being inconsistent with your original install (and later than that date).

And - if absolutely necessary, you can edit the style (assuming you're using styles) to set a fixed line spacing (Format > Paragraph > Indents & Spacing > Line Spacing > Fixed - the box will show what is actually in use, and you can play with this setting to see if it forces line spacing back to where it used to be). This is NOT RECOMMENDED because of side effects, but might get you out of an immediate jam until you can figure out what's going on.
V Stuart Foote V Stuart Foote
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Re: Line spacing changed.

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Issue is also open on the BZ tracker as tdf#104135
Virgil Arrington Virgil Arrington
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I've played a little with your two files. I printed page 3 of each PDF
file and compared the two. On my printouts, the line spacing was
identical until the second line of the first bullet of section 1.1.7. At
that point, one started getting tighter.

This was the first paragraph on the page with a bullet. As I looked at
the rest of the page, the line spacing between the two was the same in
all paragraphs except the bulleted paragraphs. So, it appears that
something in those particular paragraphs is causing the discrepancy.

I then installed 5.2 on my Windows partition, and loaded in a 42 page
document that I had created in 5.1. All was well in terms of line
spacing and pagination. My document wasn't nearly as involved as yours,
so that could explain a part of it.

I do think, however, that your issue is in your bulleted paragraphs.

Good luck.

Virgil


On 11/24/2016 7:38 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> Issue is also open on the BZ tracker as  tdf#104135
> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104135>
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CVAlkan CVAlkan
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Re: Line spacing changed.

If the problem "goes away" when removing bullets, you are probably a victim of bug # 92657.

Read through the entire conversation at: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92657 

Writer will sometimes substitute bullets from another font even when there are bullets in the font you're using; this is related to other font substitutions it makes based on the font matching info it gets from the OS.

If this is the case, the spacing between the line with the bullet and the line immediately below it in the same paragraph will have greater spacing that what exists between any subsequent two lines in the same paragraph. If so, it may or may not help for you to post a confirmation reply to that bug along with the usual info: OS & version, version of LO, name of font in use, and anything else you think might be useful.

I believe this is actually part of the deeper font substitution problem (although I suspect the thing with bullets is a special case). You CAN, by the way, sort of make the problem disappear by editing the bulleted list style and specifying a smaller bullet or your default font. Go to Styles and Formatting either from the Menu, the sidebar, or by pressing F11. Then choose Character Styles, and then Bullets (this latter does NOT appear unless you are set to "Show ALL styles" and even then it may show up as a series of 7 boxes instead of the characters "Bullets."

Then, choose "Modify" and you'll see that Writer is not using your paragraph font for the bullets. Here you can do one of two things: making sure that you can see the actual document, change the font size and press "Apply" - if your paragraph size is set to 12, for instance, set the bullet style to 10 and see what happens. (Actually, first try setting it much larger and press Apply just to prove to yourself that this is the cause of your particular problem.)  The other option is to simply change the font to the one you are using as the paragraph font and you'll see the problem disappear.

I hope this has been explained clearly enough that you can "fix" your document.
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On 2016-11-26 01:33, CVAlkan wrote:

> If the problem "goes away" when removing bullets, you are probably a victim
> of bug # 92657.
>
> Read through the entire conversation at:
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92657
>
> Writer will sometimes substitute bullets from another font even when there
> are bullets in the font you're using; this is related to other font
> substitutions it makes based on the font matching info it gets from the OS.
>
> If this is the case, the spacing between the line with the bullet and the
> line immediately below it in the same paragraph will have greater spacing
> that what exists between any subsequent two lines in the same paragraph. If
> so, it may or may not help for you to post a confirmation reply to that bug
> along with the usual info: OS & version, version of LO, name of font in use,
> and anything else you think might be useful.
>
> I believe this is actually part of the deeper font substitution problem
> (although I suspect the thing with bullets is a special case). You CAN, by
> the way, sort of make the problem disappear by editing the bulleted list
> style and specifying a smaller bullet or your default font. Go to Styles and
> Formatting either from the Menu, the sidebar, or by pressing F11. Then
> choose Character Styles, and then Bullets (this latter does NOT appear
> unless you are set to "Show ALL styles" and even then it may show up as a
> series of 7 boxes instead of the characters "Bullets."
>
> Then, choose "Modify" and you'll see that Writer is not using your paragraph
> font for the bullets. Here you can do one of two things: making sure that
> you can see the actual document, change the font size and press "Apply" - if
> your paragraph size is set to 12, for instance, set the bullet style to 10
> and see what happens. (Actually, first try setting it much larger and press
> Apply just to prove to yourself that this is the cause of your particular
> problem.)  The other option is to simply change the font to the one you are
> using as the paragraph font and you'll see the problem disappear.
>
> I hope this has been explained clearly enough that you can "fix" your
> document.
>
Thanks.
The bullets, viewed when opened in LO 5.2.3.3 were starsymbol and not
Arial like the text. Changing the bullets to arial made the document
display correctly.
steve


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