Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2019-Feb-14

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Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2019-Feb-14

Present: Franklin, Heiko

Tickets

 * Wrong behavior using template via "Open Template"
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104074
   + rename _Open_ template to _Edit_  (Franklin)
   + File > New > Templates... unclear and should be renamed to "From Template..."
   + File > Templates > Manage Templates dialog now only has the feature to new from template.  
     should provide more features (like renaming, editing...) to "manage" these templates (Franklin)
   + alternatively rename to "New From Template..." but we would go back once the managing functions are implemented
   => go with the renaming of Open to Edit only; AI: check other tickets for template managing functions

 * TEMPLATES -- "open new" instead of "open" // at "Templates / Manage Templates"
 * Writer TEMPLATES -- renaming menu titles to be more intuitive -- TEMPLATES
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123216
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123178
   => dup of tdf#104074

 * When opening the navigator, the caret is no longer positioned on the list
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122900
   + see c3, c5
   + wiki on shiortcuts https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Shortcut_Keys_for_Writer is not up to date
   + guideline on how F6 works for the sidebar https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/SideBar
   + however, accessing the styles per F11 jumps directly to the list
   => lets have it as requested in the ticket; opening the Navigator with F5 should focus the first list item;
      but going per F6 through the controls starts at the Navigator's toolbar

 * Remove option to adjust icon size at the Notebookbar
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122799
   + NB is not a replacement for standard toolbar and rather than having customization
     we/the community should provide different NB variants
   + agree (Franklin)
   => kill it with fire

 * notebookbar additional settings for label arrangement
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123171
   + WFM, see also https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122799 (icon size)
   => see above; no customization for NBs

 * Menubar -> Edit -> Comment group
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123255
   + Edit > "Edit Hyperlink" below "Comments" and View > "Show Comments" below "Track Changes"
   + always being careful when known menu structure is changed (Heiko)
   + both are part of the review process but it makes not a big difference (Franklin)
   => do not change unless more people agree (keep ticket open)

 * Styles Menubar show icons
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123261
   + requested is to add the existing styles icons (see formatting (styles) toolbar) to the menu
   => no objection, good idea



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>   * Remove option to adjust icon size at the Notebookbar
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122799
>    + NB is not a replacement for standard toolbar and rather than having
> customization
>      we/the community should provide different NB variants
>    + agree (Franklin)
>    => kill it with fire
>

I am with Andreas on this and I am vehemently against the idea of removing
the option to adjust icon size in the Notebookbar.
Although this was discussed in the design meeting this should also be
discussed in the bug. As of now there are 2 against two votes for removing
or maintaining this.

I am also completely against not having customization options for the
Notebookbars. Some minimal options should be given to allow adjustment that
facilitate the use of the UI.
And there's work ongoing to allow extensions to register on the
Notebookbar. So give it time for that to be implemented.


>  * notebookbar additional settings for label arrangement
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123171
>    + WFM, see also
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122799 (icon size)
>    => see above; no customization for NBs
>

I would provide a different rationale for this: changing label position has
a big probability of messing up the UI. If the purpose is to offer a
touch-friendly UI then design an exclusive touch-friendly UI.

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Re: Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2019-Feb-14

In reply to this post by htietze
  * Remove option to adjust icon size at the Notebookbar
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122799
>    + NB is not a replacement for standard toolbar and rather than having
> customization
>      we/the community should provide different NB variants
>    + agree (Franklin)
>    => kill it with fire
>

I am with Andreas on this and I am vehemently against the idea of removing
the option to adjust icon size in the Notebookbar.
Although this was discussed in the design meeting this should also be
discussed in the bug. As of now there are 2 against two votes for removing
or maintaining this.

I am also completely against not having customization options for the
Notebookbars. Some minimal options should be given to allow adjustment that
facilitate the use of the UI.
And there's work ongoing to allow extensions to register on the
Notebookbar. So give it time for that to be implemented.


>  * notebookbar additional settings for label arrangement
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123171
>    + WFM, see also
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122799 (icon size)
>    => see above; no customization for NBs
>

I would provide a different rationale for this: changing label position has
a big probability of messing up the UI. If the purpose is to offer a
touch-friendly UI then design an exclusive touch-friendly UI.


Furthermore, there's talk in this bug about allowing extensions to register
their buttons on Notebookbar.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101704

So not being hasty and crippling Notebookbar options seems hasty to me.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 1:28 PM Heiko Tietze <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Present: Franklin, Heiko
>
> Tickets
>
>  * Wrong behavior using template via "Open Template"
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104074
>    + rename _Open_ template to _Edit_  (Franklin)
>    + File > New > Templates... unclear and should be renamed to "From
> Template..."
>    + File > Templates > Manage Templates dialog now only has the feature
> to new from template.
>      should provide more features (like renaming, editing...) to "manage"
> these templates (Franklin)
>    + alternatively rename to "New From Template..." but we would go back
> once the managing functions are implemented
>    => go with the renaming of Open to Edit only; AI: check other tickets
> for template managing functions
>
>  * TEMPLATES -- "open new" instead of "open" // at "Templates / Manage
> Templates"
>  * Writer TEMPLATES -- renaming menu titles to be more intuitive --
> TEMPLATES
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123216
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123178
>    => dup of tdf#104074
>
>  * When opening the navigator, the caret is no longer positioned on the
> list
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122900
>    + see c3, c5
>    + wiki on shiortcuts
> https://help.libreoffice.org/Writer/Shortcut_Keys_for_Writer is not up to
> date
>    + guideline on how F6 works for the sidebar
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/SideBar
>    + however, accessing the styles per F11 jumps directly to the list
>    => lets have it as requested in the ticket; opening the Navigator with
> F5 should focus the first list item;
>       but going per F6 through the controls starts at the Navigator's
> toolbar
>
>  * Remove option to adjust icon size at the Notebookbar
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122799
>    + NB is not a replacement for standard toolbar and rather than having
> customization
>      we/the community should provide different NB variants
>    + agree (Franklin)
>    => kill it with fire
>
>  * notebookbar additional settings for label arrangement
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123171
>    + WFM, see also
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122799 (icon size)
>    => see above; no customization for NBs
>
>  * Menubar -> Edit -> Comment group
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123255
>    + Edit > "Edit Hyperlink" below "Comments" and View > "Show Comments"
> below "Track Changes"
>    + always being careful when known menu structure is changed (Heiko)
>    + both are part of the review process but it makes not a big difference
> (Franklin)
>    => do not change unless more people agree (keep ticket open)
>
>  * Styles Menubar show icons
>    + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123261
>    + requested is to add the existing styles icons (see formatting
> (styles) toolbar) to the menu
>    => no objection, good idea
>
>
>
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