Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2019-Jan-17

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Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2019-Jan-17

Present: Rizal, Cor, Heiko

Tickets

* Correct implementation or remove the Navigation toolbar
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=115817
   + dock it (c24) (Stuart, Cor)
   + make it experimental (Heiko)
   => dock at the standard toolbar because there is a bit more space left

 * Behavior is not consistent when saving with unknown file extension
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=111071
   + saving a new file adds the extension, changing it at the OS level doesn't => WFM (Heiko)
   + this patch would end in the inability to call a file foo.ab, which is awkward
     + of course not when "Automatic file name extension" is checked (Cor)
   => treat as Windows-only bug

 * Names of Drawing Objects can be Deleted
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122477
   + allow empty names (=WF) or revert to default (=NEW)
   + mostly a Navigator issue where empty names make an object hidden
   + renaming objects to existing names is not possible, except for empty names
   + ideally we have a flag "Hide in Navigator and ToC" and revert the name to
     the default on deletion but that takes some effort for less benefit (Heiko)
   + deleting names is a user action so intentionally done (Cor)
   => not a bug (Cor, Regina)

 * Writer does not include a key combination to insert thin spaces (U+200A)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=121596
   + add _one_ small white space, maybe run a poll
   + alt+space actives window management on Ubuntu (Cor) & Windows too (Rizal)
   + since ctrl+space is also dangerous we should take ctrl+alt+space
   => go for it
   => marketing/documentation could create a nice cheat sheet for shortcuts

 * Explain in the style dialog that Outline & Numbering options are disabled...
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122637
   + agree with Buovjaga's idea of static text (though we'd better provide means
     to enable the controls, ie. link to the other dialog)
   => next to Outline with "Disabled unless Tools > Chapter Numbering: Paragraph Style is set to None"
      or ... "Disabled if the Paragraph Style is linked with Chapter numbering in Tools > ..."
      ideally with a link at "Tools...>" to the respective dialog



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Am 17.01.2019 um 15:14 schrieb Heiko Tietze:

> Present: Rizal, Cor, Heiko
>
> Tickets
>
> ...
>   * Names of Drawing Objects can be Deleted
>     + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122477
>     + allow empty names (=WF) or revert to default (=NEW)
>     + mostly a Navigator issue where empty names make an object hidden
>     + renaming objects to existing names is not possible, except for empty names
>     + ideally we have a flag "Hide in Navigator and ToC" and revert the name to
>       the default on deletion but that takes some effort for less benefit (Heiko)
>     + deleting names is a user action so intentionally done (Cor)
>     => not a bug (Cor, Regina)
>
Did you consider *Bug 122445*
<https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122445> - Grouped
Shapes are not Displayed in the Navigator? The reason for this and also
for shapes not shown in the navigator for Calc, Draw and Impress is that
they are not given default names. This might be an easy task, and
certainly has some benefit.

Gerhard

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On 17.01.19 15:27, Gerhard Weydt wrote:
>>   * Names of Drawing Objects can be Deleted
>> ...
>>     => not a bug (Cor, Regina)
>>
> Did you consider *Bug 122445* <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122445> - Grouped Shapes are not Displayed in the Navigator? The reason for this and also for shapes not shown in the navigator for Calc, Draw and Impress is that they are not given default names. This might be an easy task, and certainly has some benefit.

The decision was to _allow_ empty names and to close the ticket as NOTABUG. It's a conscious decision by the user to delete the name and it has a (limited) use case. The other ticket tdf#122445 about default names for groups is still open and relevant since it has the opposite behavior- the name is not defined by system and users do not know.



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