Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

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Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

* Present: Adolfo, Heiko, Jay, Kendy, Lera, Steve, Stuart, Tomaž
 
* UI changes integrated the last week:

    + Added entries to links.txt (Jay)
    + Hide whitespace between pages (Ashod)
    + Move drawing and other toolbars to the top in Impress (Jay)
    + More fixes in the Remote files access (Szymon)
    + Sifr icons improvements (Matthias)
    + Changes in Unity Quickstart (Adolfo)
    + Added Galaxy icon (Jay)
    + Breeze icons updates (Andreas)
 
* Update the meeting time (Kendy)
 
    + current time inconvenient a bit, what would be the best time? (Kendy)
    + let's do a doodle (Heiko)

* QA interested in the minutes too (Jay)
 
    + can send it there, just maybe better to subscribe to the projects@ ML? (Kendy)
        + still, QA people were interested (Jay)
        + I'll try it then, and stop if I hear complains :-) (Kendy)
 
* 'industrial' icon theme - keep or remove?
 
    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19149/
        + Human also depends on Industrial (Jay)
            + should that be actually depend on Tango? (Jay)
            + best to talk to Bjoern (Michaelsen) (Kendy)
 
* Table styles (Kendy)
 
    + would be good to have a Friday session about that (Kendy)
        + already collected stuff in a doc (Jay)
        + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FPkf9fn79dXJ5tHpc-meMYxaQpj3nV5sEN6u9HOo2GQ/edit?usp=sharing
        + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zOsEe_cj-VnFyuPZcld4-WPjwmdsfsaHuOO8e2dfhU0/edit
        + 9th October, 1:00pm CEST / 11:00am UTC (Kendy)
 
* Last week's design session (Heiko/Jay)
 
    + Area Tab - https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94551
      https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gf7wqYszXnbrbzbyNlLKbJelMb20ssuimxfszcHP_wM/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + talked about the Area properties (Heiko)
         + unfortunately did not finish in time yet (Heiko)
         + more mockups there (Heiko)
    + included color widget (Heiko)
    + some ideas harder to implement (Heiko)
    + bitmap background handling not convenient (Heiko)
    + but overall the proposal nearly finished (Heiko)
        + should publish that when done (Heiko)
            + proved useful with the print dialog (Heiko)
 
* Dedicated Design team blog (Heiko)
 
    + included in the official LibreOffice blog, or better to have a design-only one? (Heiko)
    + TDF-infra OK with the idea of design.libreoffice.org (Jay)
        + sounds good (Kendy)
        + initially ~3 people + inclusive for others (Jay)
    + conclusion: Jay will talk to the tdf infra guys to set that up
 
* Bug discussions
 
    + nothing this week
 
* Help updating (Kendy)
 
    + new release 3.1.3 on Monday (Kendy)
        + but more fixes in the meantime again :-) (Jay)
    + help-related meta bugs:
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94016
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93580
    + wikihelp? (Jay)
        + help proposal
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MULCsm8gD-QPv-W1LbHBynnY0eD16Q6uXsrzpgfJdvQ/edit?usp=sharing
            + idea to use xml editor (Kendy)
            + steps needed:
                + hooks on help.libreoffice.org redirecting to editable page
                + per-user session - own git checkout
                + some way of editing - either the xml help or the xml <-> html mapping
                + commit creation in the git + push to gerrit
            + overall - like the idea to have some infra on top of the current help,
              easier than the entire editable wiki (Kendy)
 
* Icon Updates / Issues (Jay)
 
    + still something wrong with inheritance (Jay)
        + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93866
 
    + Sifr & breeze for dark themes
        + bug report created (Jay)
          https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94632

        + Tomaž has an algorithm to create them (Tomaž)
            + re-colors Breeze & Sifr automatically (Tomaž)
            + will push to master soon (Tomaž)
 
    + Elementary icon theme added to git by Bjoern (Jay)
        + but not enabled by default
        + images_human.zip to be placed in /opt/libreofficedev5.1/share/config/
           https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qJrVIa0SAlTjBkSlJOY01RV3M/view?usp=sharing
        + Human theme in Ubuntu outdated (Jay)
 
    + Tango (Alex/Adolfo/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OErlXIDDGM7V1mOGW8oSCLuhqw5fulT1XhkTik1u2UY/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Sifr (Papamatti/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ZpVaTxg7TAFYhOyQUP3mp-cVtKA1vP5uZAT38t-taA/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Breeze (Andreas/Jay)
        + Latest status of updates available here (Jay)
          https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dpMFgmkQy4BsyRIKH97ZLPTU6NdvXIYk3Yossj6sSQM/edit?usp=sharing
 
    + Extra-Large (32x32) Icons for large resolutions
        + Status - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mPqD2gGsMkfVCI6ByUd2XYX1NJm26hcGjRVe6gcCSEU/edit?usp=sharing
 
* START CENTER: Set new open remote file icon (Jay)
 
    + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/19178
        + a comment there: "maybe the Open Remote button should be merged with the Open button,
          make it a split button"?
        + this is actually orthogonal to the icon (Kendy)
            + let's merge the icon if people happy with the look (Kendy)
            + it should be pushed (Stuart)
        + the split button was considered during the original design of the feature, but decided to
          have a separate button to make the feature more visible (Jay/Kendy)
    + should the button change from "Open Remote File" to "Remote Files"? (Heiko)
        + Agree (Stuart, Adolfo, Jay, Tomaz)
 
* Next Friday's design session (Heiko/Jay)
 
    + Friday session this week (Oct/09)
        + 1:00pm CEST / 11:00am UTC
        + Table styles
 
    + List of possible future topics
        + https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiJauFHrSmM5LsaV0AlglhfUh8D1IxAg8qistP0KAQA/edit?usp=sharing




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Bjoern Michaelsen Bjoern Michaelsen
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Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

Hi,

On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 10:13:43PM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> * 'industrial' icon theme - keep or remove?
>  
>     + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19149/
>         + Human also depends on Industrial (Jay)
>             + should that be actually depend on Tango? (Jay)
>             + best to talk to Bjoern (Michaelsen) (Kendy)

Human has already been broken by tdf#93145 in LibreOffice 5.0.
There is no way Ubuntu will ship a huge set of fallback themes to make Human
complete again, thus we only ship themes with galaxy as fallback -- the
ultimate fallback.

For upcoming releases see lp#1506544:

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1506544

Note that does NOT mean we should immediately drop human. At least for
5.1/xenial it should be kept an transitional option.

Best,

Bjoern

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Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

Hi,

On 10/30/2015 12:00 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 10:13:43PM +0200, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>> * 'industrial' icon theme - keep or remove?
>>
>>      + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/19149/
>>          + Human also depends on Industrial (Jay)
>>              + should that be actually depend on Tango? (Jay)
>>              + best to talk to Bjoern (Michaelsen) (Kendy)
>
> Human has already been broken by tdf#93145 in LibreOffice 5.0.

All icon themes that were highly incomplete were affected in 5.0
tdf#94408 - e.g. oxygen, sifr.

> There is no way Ubuntu will ship a huge set of fallback themes to make Human
> complete again, thus we only ship themes with galaxy as fallback -- the
> ultimate fallback.

All Human needs to do to be complete is at build time to import all the
missing icons from industrial into it, which is what tango does at build
time, and ubuntu ship galaxy as the fallback.

> For upcoming releases see lp#1506544:
>
>   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1506544
>
> Note that does NOT mean we should immediately drop human. At least for
> 5.1/xenial it should be kept an transitional option.

Not sure how well breeze with the ubuntu theme and it maybe better to
use tango.

> Best,
>
> Bjoern
>

Regards,
Yousuf 'Jay' Philips

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Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2015-10-07

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 07:21:22PM +0400, Yousuf 'Jay' Philips wrote:
> Not sure how well breeze with the ubuntu theme and it maybe better to use
> tango.

I have the seal of approval from the Canonical Design Team -- not gonna do
extra rounds beyond that now.

Best,

Bjoern

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