Not happy with LO Calc worksheet tabs in 4.4.1.2

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Not happy with LO Calc worksheet tabs in 4.4.1.2

All,

I just upgraded to 4.4.1.2 (Windows) and I am not happy to
see that the worksheet selection buttons now look like
columns instead of folder tabs. Was there any logic behind
this change or is this change for the sake of change? How
does this make Calc more useable? What problem were users
having that this change solved?

Sorry for the rant, but I am getting tired of unnecessary
changes. I see this happening in all software, not just LO.
I do appreciate the product and all the hard work that goes
into it.

-Bill

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V Stuart Foote V Stuart Foote
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Re: Not happy with LO Calc worksheet tabs in 4.4.1.2

wdrago wrote
All,

I just upgraded to 4.4.1.2 (Windows) and I am not happy to
see that the worksheet selection buttons now look like
columns instead of folder tabs. Was there any logic behind
this change or is this change for the sake of change? How
does this make Calc more useable? What problem were users
having that this change solved?

Sorry for the rant, but I am getting tired of unnecessary
changes. I see this happening in all software, not just LO.
I do appreciate the product and all the hard work that goes
into it.

-Bill
Sorry, but fully shown in the 4.4 release notes posted since January.

Tab changes

Sheet tabs (Calc) and layer tabs (Draw) were moved to an independent row and are no longer displayed next to the horizontal scrollbar. As many visual styles under Linux (in addition to the default OS X configuration) use very thin scrollbars, these rendered the tabs too small to be clickable and, most importantly, readable.

The tabs have an updated, flatter look.



You can read the rational and dev actions on tdf#36772--UI: Sheet tabs appear too small because LibreOffice has problems with certain themes or does not force a minimim hight for tabs

And some counter discussion on tdf#87684-- UI: Calc sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space

Point is, this is nothing new or exceptional, the change was implemented Aug 2014.   If you'd like to avoid such unpleasantness, perhaps you should invest a little of your own time and check out some of the more current builds spun out by the project TinderBox's at http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/
Pedro Pedro
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wdrago wrote
I just upgraded to 4.4.1.2 (Windows) and I am not happy to
see that the worksheet selection buttons now look like
columns instead of folder tabs. Was there any logic behind
this change or is this change for the sake of change? How
does this make Calc more useable? What problem were users
having that this change solved?
Actually although this breaks with the usual look, it is much more useable when you are working with a file with several pages/spreadsheets/tabs
If you a have a file with a few tabs (or the tab names are longer than SheetN), you end up with an horizontal scroll bar that is minimal and very ineffective.
It is a bit odd that the tab is not visually connected to the spreadsheet but the gain in usability clearly compensates.

Maybe the shape of the tab could be the usual trapezoid instead a rectangle (that could be confused with a cell). But that is up to the Design/UX people to advise... As a user I have no idea how harder it is to program trapezoidal instead of rectangular tabs.

Just my 2 cents.
wdrago wdrago
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Thank you for posting that. The discussion is very
interesting and clearly explains why the scrollbar was
moved. No rational was given for changing the shape of the
tabs however.

Comment 29 by Tomaz Vajngerl: I have also made some visual
changes to the tabs (rectangular, more plain look)...

That change has no purpose, why was it made? To put another
nail in the coffin of skeuomorphic design? (Rhetorical,
don't waste your time trying to answer.) Visual cues are
important and I think the rectangular tabs suggest columns
rather than overlapping worksheets. Sorry, that's just my
opinion.

"A new building on our campus opened last year and featured
many modern technologies, including very nice-looking glass
doors through which you enter and exit the building. The
problem is that the doors have identical handles on either
side. The handles themselves are very attractive, but they
don’t tell me what to do when I want to enter the
building—should I push or pull the door? The handles on
these particular doors suggest to me that they are made for
grasping and pulling. However, the door goes in only one
direction, and the very same handles appear on both sides of
the door. Therefore, to enter the building, I have to use
the handle to pull the door, and to exit, I have to use the
identical type of handle to push the door. How would someone
possibly know which way the door swings when approaching it?"

Continued here:
http://www.humankinetics.com/excerpts/excerpts/Push-or-Pull

On the positive side, I love the new icons on the tool bars
especially the one for inserting a chart. Also, I've been
using and promoting LO since the beginning. I started with
Open Office some moons ago and when Oracle messed everything
up I switched over to LO and love it. So, I apologize for
the rant. (My wife says I'm getting old and grumpy. Maybe
she's right.)

-Bill

On 3/22/2015 6:48 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:

> wdrago wrote
>> All,
>>
>> I just upgraded to 4.4.1.2 (Windows) and I am not happy to
>> see that the worksheet selection buttons now look like
>> columns instead of folder tabs. Was there any logic behind
>> this change or is this change for the sake of change? How
>> does this make Calc more useable? What problem were users
>> having that this change solved?
>>
>> Sorry for the rant, but I am getting tired of unnecessary
>> changes. I see this happening in all software, not just LO.
>> I do appreciate the product and all the hard work that goes
>> into it.
>>
>> -Bill
> Sorry, but fully shown in the  4.4 release notes
> <https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.4#Tab_changes>   posted
> since January.
>
> /Tab changes
>
> Sheet tabs (Calc) and layer tabs (Draw) were moved to an independent row and
> are no longer displayed next to the horizontal scrollbar. As many visual
> styles under Linux (in addition to the default OS X configuration) use very
> thin scrollbars, these rendered the tabs too small to be clickable and, most
> importantly, readable.
>
> The tabs have an updated, flatter look./
>
>
> You can read the rational and dev actions on  tdf#36772
> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36772>  --UI: Sheet
> tabs appear too small because LibreOffice has problems with certain themes
> or does not force a minimim hight for tabs
>
> And some counter discussion on  tdf#87684
> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87684>  -- UI: Calc
> sheet tabs and horizontal scroll bar are now wasting twice the space
>
> Point is, this is nothing new or exceptional, the change was implemented Aug
> 2014.   If you'd like to avoid such unpleasantness, perhaps you should
> invest a little of your own time and check out some of the more current
> builds spun out by the project TinderBox's at
> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Not-happy-with-LO-Calc-worksheet-tabs-in-4-4-1-2-tp4144102p4144114.html
> Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>



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Tanstaafl Tanstaafl
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On 3/22/2015 8:36 PM, Pedro <[hidden email]> wrote:
> wdrago wrote
>> I just upgraded to 4.4.1.2 (Windows) and I am not happy to
>> see that the worksheet selection buttons now look like
>> columns instead of folder tabs. Was there any logic behind
>> this change or is this change for the sake of change? How
>> does this make Calc more useable? What problem were users
>> having that this change solved?

> Actually although this breaks with the usual look, it is much more useable
> when you are working with a file with several pages/spreadsheets/tabs

I agree... I have complained (to myself) many times about the issues
with spreadsheets with lots of tabs, so I actually really like the
change... :)

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