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yorick yorick
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On Wednesday 03 Nov 2010 06:11:02 Peter Rodwell wrote:

> Hi Cor:
> >> 2. Search and replace. I work with large documents, often 400+ pages.
>
> [snip]
>
> > OK, that is easy to handle with a trick as user, but possibly also an
> > relative easy fix (1)?
>
> As I said, when you have to do this constantly, dozens of times a day, it
> does become a real issue.
>
> I would have thought it quite simple to save the current position, do the
> search and replace then return to the previously-saved position. After
> all, if MS can do it then it can't be very difficult. :)
>
> P.

There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install  on any OOo
instance l use and it does what you ask here.

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch

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GL

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On 11/02/2010 03:48 PM, Peter Rodwell wrote:

> 1. Complete file compatibility. I frequently handle documents with very
 complex formatting.

Funny thing here.

I get better compatibility using OOo and LibO, than I did when I was
using MSO.  I still receive documents in both .doc and .docx formats
that can not be opened with MSO, but can be easily opened and displayed
with both OOo and LibO.

> They *must* retain 100% of the original formatting. So far this has
not been the case with Oo.

If that is the case, then you have to be using the same computer as the
document was created on, using the same settings, and the same edition
and the same version of MSO. Otherwise compatibility is going to be less
than 100%. Even with that configuration, you aren't guaranteed 100%
compatibility.

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On Tue, 02 Nov 2010, Peter Rodwell wrote:

> I answered a posting from Ernst W. Winter:
>
> > Yes sounds good. How did the city of Munich change 14,000 PC to
> > OOo?
>
> with a somewhat cursory "I don't know" but the question piqued my
> interest.  A few minutes' Googling came up with the answer: It
> didn't.
>
> Reports (e.g., at
> http://blog.worldlabel.com/2009/limux-where-the-munich-linux-revolution-is-today.html)
> show that only 80% of the city's 14,000 PCs will have been changed
> to open source by 2012 - that's EIGHT YEARS after the project was
> given the green light.
>
Yes I know of it from the original German at Heise Online. It
mentions also that many others have changed and are in the process of
changing including the Federal Government.

> To be fair, Oo was only a small part of the changeover, which

correct, the  reason was also:

Schießl explains that free software certainly "Does not mean free as
in free beer." Instead, open source offers programmers the advantage
of improving the software and expanding additional applications
without having to get permission from a specific company. This
advantage also carries weight with other municipal governments. That
is why the cities of Mannheim, Schwäbisch Hall and Treuchtlingen in
Bavaria are moving at least partially to free software.

> involved an upfront cost of ?13 million for LiMux, a special
> version of Linux. The council says that's ?2 million MORE than it
> would have cost to upgrade from Windows NT4 to XP, but their point
> wasn't short-term financial saving -- they were more concerned
> about being tied to a single supplier.
>
I do know many that have changed the "OS" including Security
companies and if you look closer here in Eurpe Governments even pay
for Open Source developement.

I have been involved in the 90'ies with many changes of OS away from
M$ and there are companies that state openly that they have already
gone away from M$ and still have a small portion of that software.
They are only waiting that they can replace that too. What are
Corporations going to do if even Governments moving away from M$? Or
even IBM are supporting Linux.

> While a city council can apparently afford to spend this time and
> taxpayer's money changing to open source, no corporate CFO would
> even consider it.
>
Yes this sounds maybe silly, but then they don't have a noose around
their neck with being tied to a company and can develope what they
need for their own ends. OOo might have been a help and a step in
making that move.

Maybe I haven't explained myself as I got too exited to hear that the
OOo is having a new start after Oracle took over Sun, you can see
what happen when such companies take over. I believe in OpenSource
and can see what happen, even if Corporations don't or can't see
that. For me and others OpenSource has done more and achieved more
then any Corporation. I still see it as THE future.

Using Freebsd with some 20,00 apps and I can run Linux Binaries as
well have a Virtualbox to run WIN as well having zfs filesytem, what
could a Corporation want more to be independent?

Sorr again, I just got carried away I will restrain myself. But I
cross my fingers, wish good luck and all success to the developers of
the new Offic Suite. I have pointed many friends in that direction
adn business to what I know of. Keep up the good work you guys ...


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Re: Old Bugs

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Quoting Graham Lauder:

> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install  on any OOo
> instance l use and it does what you ask here.
>
> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch


Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F
instead of opening the standard Find & Replace...

P.

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Le 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell a écrit :

> Quoting Graham Lauder:
>
>> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any
>> OOo
>> instance l use and it does what you ask here.
>>
>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch
>
>
> Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can
> just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening
> the standard Find & Replace...
>
> P.
>

Are you really satisfied with this extension? If yes, maybe we could
submit is as feature request as a permanent part of the code.

Graham, how well known is this extension? I wonder if it is well know in
the power user camp. Maybe Michel could chime in on this one too.

Marc


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Le 2010-11-03 17:33, Marc Paré a écrit :

> Le 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell a écrit :
>> Quoting Graham Lauder:
>>
>>> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any
>>> OOo
>>> instance l use and it does what you ask here.
>>>
>>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch
>>
>>
>> Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can
>> just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening
>> the standard Find & Replace...
>>
>> P.
>>
>
> Are you really satisfied with this extension? If yes, maybe we could
> submit is as feature request as a permanent part of the code.
>
> Graham, how well known is this extension? I wonder if it is well know
> in the power user camp. Maybe Michel could chime in on this one too.
>
> Marc
>
>

I have it and use it fairly often. Control-F would indeed be wonderful.

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On 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell wrote:

> Quoting Graham Lauder:
>
>> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install  on
>> any OOo
>> instance l use and it does what you ask here.
>>
>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch
>
>
> Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can
> just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening
> the standard Find & Replace...
>
> P.
>

Good Morning, Good Day, or Good Evening:

To use Ctrl F as the shortcut for 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for
Writer', do the following:

Open 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for Writer'
Click on 'Batch >>', the Batch Manager
Click on 'Key Shortcuts'
In the top dropdown box, select 'Altsearch - dialog'.
At the bottom of the dialog, assign the new shortcut: Ctrl F.

Hope this helps.  It does work for me

Tom

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On Thursday 04 Nov 2010 10:11:34 Peter Rodwell wrote:

> Quoting Graham Lauder:
> > There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install  on any
> > OOo instance l use and it does what you ask here.
> >
> > http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch
>
> Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can just
> figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening the
> standard Find & Replace...
>
> P.

 Sure, Tools> customize.  select keyboard tab.

In Shortcut keys pane select ctrl+F
 in the Category pane select LibreOffice Macros>user>altsearch>altsearch

In functions pane select altsearch

click "Modify"  Ctrl+F should appear in the Keys pane

Done

Cheers
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On Thursday 04 Nov 2010 10:33:43 Marc Paré wrote:

> Le 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell a écrit :
> > Quoting Graham Lauder:
> >> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any
> >> OOo
> >> instance l use and it does what you ask here.
> >>
> >> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch
> >
> > Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can
> > just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening
> > the standard Find & Replace...
> >
> > P.
>
> Are you really satisfied with this extension? If yes, maybe we could
> submit is as feature request as a permanent part of the code

I'm never without it, it's brilliant. Standard install with all my clients
that are heavy writer users.  
>
> Graham, how well known is this extension? I wonder if it is well know in
> the power user camp. Maybe Michel could chime in on this one too.

100,000+ downloads this year, so it's reasonably well known amongst Writer
power users l suspect, certainly my clients like it a lot and the template
changer as well...

 
>
> Marc

Cheers
GL


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Le 2010-11-03 21:20, TomW a écrit :

> On 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell wrote:
>> Quoting Graham Lauder:
>>
>>> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on
>>> any OOo
>>> instance l use and it does what you ask here.
>>>
>>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch
>>
>>
>> Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can
>> just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening
>> the standard Find & Replace...
>>
>> P.
>>
>
> Good Morning, Good Day, or Good Evening:
>
> To use Ctrl F as the shortcut for 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for
> Writer', do the following:
>
> Open 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for Writer'
> Click on 'Batch >>', the Batch Manager
> Click on 'Key Shortcuts'
> In the top dropdown box, select 'Altsearch - dialog'.
> At the bottom of the dialog, assign the new shortcut: Ctrl F.
>
> Hope this helps. It does work for me
>
> Tom
>

Thanks Tom.

So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a feature
request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative impact on the
new or casual user's use of the search function?

Marc


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On 2010-11-03 5:33 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
> Le 2010-11-03 17:11, Peter Rodwell a écrit :
>> Quoting Graham Lauder:
>>> There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any
>>> OOo instance l use and it does what you ask here.
>>>
>>> http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch

>> Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can
>> just figure out how to open that when I hit Ctrl-F instead of opening
>> the standard Find & Replace...

> Are you really satisfied with this extension? If yes, maybe we could
> submit is as feature request as a permanent part of the code.

+10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this
extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current
implementation.

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> To use Ctrl F as the shortcut for 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for Writer', do the following:
>
> Open 'Alternate dialog Find & Replace for Writer'
> Click on 'Batch >>', the Batch Manager
> Click on 'Key Shortcuts'
> In the top dropdown box, select 'Altsearch - dialog'.
> At the bottom of the dialog, assign the new shortcut: Ctrl F.
>
> Hope this helps. It does work for me
>
> Tom


It certainly did work for me too. Thank you!

P.


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> So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a
> negative impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function?

I think it certainly should be a permanent feature. I don't think new or casual users
would find it offputting even though many of the features might be overkill for them.
One possibility would be to hide all but the simplest features and provide an "Advanced"
(or similar) button that would reveal them (and make it sticky so that once you've
chosen "Advanced" it always appears whenever you hit Ctrl-F).

P.


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On 11/4/2010 3:26 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
> So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a
> feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative
> impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function?

This is also a pretty much standard extension for all of my installs,
but, to be honest, I don't know if average users would like it or hate
it. For one, it seems to take forever to come up with you call for it
with a hot key. For another, the search dialog may be intimidating for
entry-level users. And it's not very pretty. The latter I don't care
about terribly much in my daily use, but I think that if you want the
application to be seen as a professional level app, "pretty" is an
important part of that.

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On 11/2/2010 2:28 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
>> I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it
>> will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available
>> spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and
>> try it.
>
> I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can
> comment on this? I thought it was fixed in Beta2.

This is fixed in Beta 2.

However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use
it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was
entirely unusable.

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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:14:50 -0400, Steven Shelton wrote:
> However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use
> it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was
> entirely unusable.

Frames with captions by any chance? In that case you will like beta3.

Sebastian

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> This is also a pretty much standard extension for all of my installs,
> but, to be honest, I don't know if average users would like it or hate
> it.  For one, it seems to take forever to come up with you call for it
> with a hot key.

I've noticed a slight delay (< 1 second) the first time it's called; after
that it pops up instantly. This with Win 7 Ultimate on my 4-core Dell
workhorse.

> For another, the search dialog may be intimidating for
> entry-level users. And it's not very pretty. The latter I don't care
> about terribly much in my daily use, but I think that if you want the
> application to be seen as a professional level app, "pretty" is an
> important part of that.

As I mentioned in my reply to Marc's posting, the advanced features
could be hidden, to be opened with an "Advanced" button. "Pretty" certainly
is an important aspect that's lacking in it right now.

P.


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>>> I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it
>>> will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available
>>> spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and
>>> try it.
>>
>> I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can
>> comment on this? I thought it was fixed in Beta2.
>
> This is fixed in Beta 2.

Then the Web site needs updating. It still says: "Be advised that the
current beta might replace your OpenOffice.org installation."

> However, LibO crashes constantly on my Windows XP box. I tried to use
> it for a bit to test it, and the crashes were so frequent it was
> entirely unusable.

I finally downloaded it to my standby machine (I *never* install
beta versions of anything on my main box), with Win 7 Home Premium.
Seems to run OK but I haven't had time to do anything meaningful
with it yet.

P.


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On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:01:47 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
> +10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this
> extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current
> implementation.

1) Could someone please identify the source? It seems LGPG license but
when going to that homepage my Russian isn't good enough to actually see
some source code.

2) which language is the thing done in? Is it more Java or some other
language?

Sebastian

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As far as I can see, it is all on OOo macro language: if you install
the extension and look at Tools -> Macro -> Organize macros ->
LibreOffice basic you will find all about it.

2010/11/4 Sebastian Spaeth <[hidden email]>:

> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 08:01:47 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
>> +10 - Find/Replace was a frustrating exercise for me until I found this
>> extension many months ago. It absolutely should *replace* the current
>> implementation.
>
> 1) Could someone please identify the source? It seems LGPG license but
> when going to that homepage my Russian isn't good enough to actually see
> some source code.
>
> 2) which language is the thing done in? Is it more Java or some other
> language?
>
> Sebastian
>
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