Re: [ooo-build-commit] .: dictionaries/hr_HR dictionaries/prj

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Re: [ooo-build-commit] .: dictionaries/hr_HR dictionaries/prj

Hi,

On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 01:55:07PM -0700, Andras Timar wrote:
[...]

> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/dictionaries/hr_HR/README_hyph_hr_HR.txt
> @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@
> +Hyphenation dictionary
> +----------------------
> +
> +Language: Croatian (hr HR).
> +Origin:   Based on the TeX hyphenation tables
> +License:  LGPL/SISSL license, 2003
> +Author:   [hidden email] (Denis Lackovic)
> +
> +HYPH hr HR hyph_hr
> +
> +These patterns were manualy converted from TeX hyphenation patterns.
[...]

Aha. So this license violates the LPPL. (the TeX patterns are under LPPL,
right?). The LPPL claerly says that you *can* relicense but you *must
either ship the original file with it or tell the people which file you
based on *exactly*.

Plase, people, check licenses and whether stuff is actually distributable
(license-violating stuff IS NOT) before you do something, especially for cases
like this which have been gone thorugh for various hyphenation patterns in the past
and there are issues for many.

I am going to revert that commit later (or at least remove the hyphenation part).

Grüße/Regards,

René
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Re: [ooo-build-commit] .: dictionaries/hr_HR dictionaries/prj

forgot to cc the list...
2010/10/6 Rene Engelhard <[hidden email]>:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 01:55:07PM -0700, Andras Timar wrote:
> [...]
>> --- /dev/null
>> +++ b/dictionaries/hr_HR/README_hyph_hr_HR.txt
>> @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@
>> +Hyphenation dictionary
>> +----------------------
>> +
>> +Language: Croatian (hr HR).
>> +Origin:   Based on the TeX hyphenation tables
>> +License:  LGPL/SISSL license, 2003
>> +Author:   [hidden email] (Denis Lackovic)
>> +
>> +HYPH hr HR hyph_hr
>> +
>> +These patterns were manualy converted from TeX hyphenation patterns.
> [...]
>
> Aha. So this license violates the LPPL. (the TeX patterns are under LPPL,
> right?). The LPPL claerly says that you *can* relicense but you *must
> either ship the original file with it or tell the people which file you
> based on *exactly*.
>
> Plase, people, check licenses and whether stuff is actually distributable
> (license-violating stuff IS NOT) before you do something, especially for cases
> like this which have been gone thorugh for various hyphenation patterns in the past
> and there are issues for many.
>
> I am going to revert that commit later (or at least remove the hyphenation part).
>
> Grüße/Regards,
>
> René

Hi René,

Thanks for raising the issue. I hope Robert (on cc) will provide us
with updated info on this and we will not have to remove the
hyphenation patterns. AFAIK we can tell the exact version of the
patterns used, it must be this one:
http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/language/hyphenation/hrhyph.tex

Regards,
Andras
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Re: [ooo-build-commit] .: dictionaries/hr_HR dictionaries/prj

2010/10/6 Andras Timar <[hidden email]>:

> forgot to cc the list...
> 2010/10/6 Rene Engelhard <[hidden email]>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 01:55:07PM -0700, Andras Timar wrote:
>> [...]
>>> --- /dev/null
>>> +++ b/dictionaries/hr_HR/README_hyph_hr_HR.txt
>>> @@ -0,0 +1,11 @@
>>> +Hyphenation dictionary
>>> +----------------------
>>> +
>>> +Language: Croatian (hr HR).
>>> +Origin:   Based on the TeX hyphenation tables
>>> +License:  LGPL/SISSL license, 2003
>>> +Author:   [hidden email] (Denis Lackovic)
>>> +
>>> +HYPH hr HR hyph_hr
>>> +
>>> +These patterns were manualy converted from TeX hyphenation patterns.
>> [...]
>>
>> Aha. So this license violates the LPPL. (the TeX patterns are under LPPL,
>> right?). The LPPL claerly says that you *can* relicense but you *must
>> either ship the original file with it or tell the people which file you
>> based on *exactly*.
>>
>> Plase, people, check licenses and whether stuff is actually distributable
>> (license-violating stuff IS NOT) before you do something, especially for cases
>> like this which have been gone thorugh for various hyphenation patterns in the past
>> and there are issues for many.
>>
>> I am going to revert that commit later (or at least remove the hyphenation part).
>>
>> Grüße/Regards,
>>
>> René
>
> Hi René,
>
> Thanks for raising the issue. I hope Robert (on cc) will provide us
> with updated info on this and we will not have to remove the
> hyphenation patterns. AFAIK we can tell the exact version of the
> patterns used, it must be this one:
> http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/language/hyphenation/hrhyph.tex
>
> Regards,
> Andras
>

Original license was not LPPL, therefore no violation occured. In fact
the file was distributed with the following permission:
"Do with this file whatever needs to be done in future for the sake of
"a better world" as long as you respect the copyright of original
file."
I included the complete original license text into README_hyph_hr_HR.txt.

I also re-generated the patterns following
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/SL/Using_TeX_hyphenation_patterns_in_OpenOffice.org.
It is a very good piece of documentation and I'm not sure that all
dictionary maintaners have read it.

Regards,
Andras
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