Split "Move/Copy Sheet" item in sheet tab menu

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David Lynch David Lynch
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Split "Move/Copy Sheet" item in sheet tab menu

Reasonably, I have been asked by the developers to gain support from a
wider body of users for a change in the user interface to Calc.

My request is *bug 68582
<https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68582>*
*
 >>>>>>>>>>>>>*

When you right-click a sheet tab in Calc you get a menu:

Insert Sheet...
Rename Sheet...
Move/Copy Sheet...
Tab Colour...
etc

I would like this menu to be replaced by:
Insert Sheet...
Rename Sheet...
Move Sheet...
Copy Sheet...
Tab Colour...
etc

Currently when copying a sheet, you must remember to click the copy button on the next menu to copy rather than move the sheet. I have just overwritten data I needed by forgetting to click this button."

*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

*The most important reason is that the default behaviour of the command
is to move the sheet, and this can destroy valuable data *without
warning*. If, as I have done, you forget to click the "copy" button, you
overwrite and destroy your existing sheet.
*
*A less important reason is that the interface is inconsistent: in other
menus and toolbars, the choice of move or copy is at the top level, not
hidden a level lower.**There are 12 commands in the menu: adding a
thirteenth would not make it over long.*

*Please may I have support for this request.*

*David Lynch*
*

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Kaj Persson-2 Kaj Persson-2
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Re: Split "Move/Copy Sheet" item in sheet tab menu

The change might be ok, but in which way does that solve your problem?
The target is overwritten in any case. Well yes, if you think you still
are keeping the source and overwrite the target once more, then there is
a difference. I have not seen it being a problem, but am not against the
change. /Kaj

Den 2015-02-18 14:00, skrev David Lynch:

> Reasonably, I have been asked by the developers to gain support from a
> wider body of users for a change in the user interface to Calc.
>
> My request is *bug 68582
> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68582>*
> *
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>*
>
> When you right-click a sheet tab in Calc you get a menu:
>
> Insert Sheet...
> Rename Sheet...
> Move/Copy Sheet...
> Tab Colour...
> etc
>
> I would like this menu to be replaced by:
> Insert Sheet...
> Rename Sheet...
> Move Sheet...
> Copy Sheet...
> Tab Colour...
> etc
>
> Currently when copying a sheet, you must remember to click the copy
> button on the next menu to copy rather than move the sheet. I have
> just overwritten data I needed by forgetting to click this button."
>
> *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> *The most important reason is that the default behaviour of the
> command is to move the sheet, and this can destroy valuable data
> *without warning*. If, as I have done, you forget to click the "copy"
> button, you overwrite and destroy your existing sheet.
> *
> *A less important reason is that the interface is inconsistent: in
> other menus and toolbars, the choice of move or copy is at the top
> level, not hidden a level lower.**There are 12 commands in the menu:
> adding a thirteenth would not make it over long.*
>
> *Please may I have support for this request.*
>
> *David Lynch*
> *
>


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David Lynch David Lynch
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Re: Split "Move/Copy Sheet" item in sheet tab menu

On 18/02/2015 15:04, Kaj wrote:
It is that the *default* behaviour is to overwrite the target (and no
warning is given).

David Lynch


> The change might be ok, but in which way does that solve your problem?
> The target is overwritten in any case. Well yes, if you think you
> still are keeping the source and overwrite the target once more, then
> there is a difference. I have not seen it being a problem, but am not
> against the change. /Kaj
>
> Den 2015-02-18 14:00, skrev David Lynch:
>> Reasonably, I have been asked by the developers to gain support from
>> a wider body of users for a change in the user interface to Calc.
>>
>> My request is *bug 68582
>> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68582>*
>> *
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>*
>>
>> When you right-click a sheet tab in Calc you get a menu:
>>
>> Insert Sheet...
>> Rename Sheet...
>> Move/Copy Sheet...
>> Tab Colour...
>> etc
>>
>> I would like this menu to be replaced by:
>> Insert Sheet...
>> Rename Sheet...
>> Move Sheet...
>> Copy Sheet...
>> Tab Colour...
>> etc
>>
>> Currently when copying a sheet, you must remember to click the copy
>> button on the next menu to copy rather than move the sheet. I have
>> just overwritten data I needed by forgetting to click this button."
>>
>> *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> *The most important reason is that the default behaviour of the
>> command is to move the sheet, and this can destroy valuable data
>> *without warning*. If, as I have done, you forget to click the "copy"
>> button, you overwrite and destroy your existing sheet.
>> *
>> *A less important reason is that the interface is inconsistent: in
>> other menus and toolbars, the choice of move or copy is at the top
>> level, not hidden a level lower.**There are 12 commands in the menu:
>> adding a thirteenth would not make it over long.*
>>
>> *Please may I have support for this request.*
>>
>> *David Lynch*
>> *
>>
>
>


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Kaj Persson-2 Kaj Persson-2
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Re: Split "Move/Copy Sheet" item in sheet tab menu

Ok, I am on. This confirmation is reasonable and desirable. But the
split copy/move does not change this in itself. /Kaj

On 2015-02-18 16:22, David Lynch wrote:

> On 18/02/2015 15:04, Kaj wrote:
> It is that the *default* behaviour is to overwrite the target (and no
> warning is given).
>
> David Lynch
>
>
>> The change might be ok, but in which way does that solve your
>> problem? The target is overwritten in any case. Well yes, if you
>> think you still are keeping the source and overwrite the target once
>> more, then there is a difference. I have not seen it being a problem,
>> but am not against the change. /Kaj
>>
>> Den 2015-02-18 14:00, skrev David Lynch:
>>> Reasonably, I have been asked by the developers to gain support from
>>> a wider body of users for a change in the user interface to Calc.
>>>
>>> My request is *bug 68582
>>> <https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68582>*
>>> *
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>*
>>>
>>> When you right-click a sheet tab in Calc you get a menu:
>>>
>>> Insert Sheet...
>>> Rename Sheet...
>>> Move/Copy Sheet...
>>> Tab Colour...
>>> etc
>>>
>>> I would like this menu to be replaced by:
>>> Insert Sheet...
>>> Rename Sheet...
>>> Move Sheet...
>>> Copy Sheet...
>>> Tab Colour...
>>> etc
>>>
>>> Currently when copying a sheet, you must remember to click the copy
>>> button on the next menu to copy rather than move the sheet. I have
>>> just overwritten data I needed by forgetting to click this button."
>>>
>>> *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> *The most important reason is that the default behaviour of the
>>> command is to move the sheet, and this can destroy valuable data
>>> *without warning*. If, as I have done, you forget to click the
>>> "copy" button, you overwrite and destroy your existing sheet.
>>> *
>>> *A less important reason is that the interface is inconsistent: in
>>> other menus and toolbars, the choice of move or copy is at the top
>>> level, not hidden a level lower.**There are 12 commands in the menu:
>>> adding a thirteenth would not make it over long.*
>>>
>>> *Please may I have support for this request.*
>>>
>>> *David Lynch*
>>> *
>>>
>>
>>
>


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Stefan Weigel Stefan Weigel
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Re: Split "Move/Copy Sheet" item in sheet tab menu

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Hi,

Am 18.02.2015 um 16:04 schrieb Kaj:

> I have not seen it being a problem, but am not against the
> change.

I have not seen it as a problem, either. Every Calc user (and every
Excel user) is used to it since decades. ;-)

And I do not support changes, that do not result in a *major*
improvement. Any change requires much effort, not only changing the
code and doing QA, but also localisation, changing documentation,
books, and so on.

Let´s fix bugs instead! :-)

Stefan

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Re: Split "Move/Copy Sheet" item in sheet tab menu

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Hi,

Am 18.02.2015 um 16:22 schrieb David Lynch:

> It is that the *default* behaviour is to overwrite the target
> (and no warning is given).

Are your sure?

When I try do move/copy a sheet to another document that already
contains a sheet with the same name, I do get a warning and the OK
button is inactive. So it´s impossible to overwrite the target.

But, all this has nothing to do with splitting the "Move/Copy Sheet"
command.

Cannot lookup your bug, because the bug tracker is down at the moment.

Stefan

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Re: Split "Move/Copy Sheet" item in sheet tab menu

Hi :)
Sorry this is sooo late!!  When stuff goes wrong like that remember that if
you haven't saved yet you can always undo or just "not save" to get back to
where you were.  If necessary you can always "Save As" and add a version
number and then recover the appropriate sheet from an older version!  Easy
to forget all that when something goes this wrong tho!

Also if you have not yet closed the document then you might be able to undo
(i've got a feeling it wont undo tab changes).

Plus if you have any old version of your file, such as on a usb-stick,
emailed to yourself or anyone, on a cd/dvd or Cloud like GDrive or anywhere
then you might be able to get most of that old sheet back.

You can "Protect" sheets and things sometimes but that might be more
troublesome than it's worth

Good luck hunting for an old copy of the lost sheet/tab!

Regards from
Tom :)



On 18 February 2015 at 15:59, Stefan Weigel <[hidden email]
> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am 18.02.2015 um 16:22 schrieb David Lynch:
>
> > It is that the *default* behaviour is to overwrite the target
> > (and no warning is given).
>
> Are your sure?
>
> When I try do move/copy a sheet to another document that already
> contains a sheet with the same name, I do get a warning and the OK
> button is inactive. So it´s impossible to overwrite the target.
>
> But, all this has nothing to do with splitting the "Move/Copy Sheet"
> command.
>
> Cannot lookup your bug, because the bug tracker is down at the moment.
>
> Stefan
>
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