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I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising
"Templating Teams"?

This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an
official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to
come up with different templates for various categories. The members
would be picked according to their expertise in these categories.

For example, I am an expert in 14th-19th century keyboard
reconstruction. Some of my regular jobs is to order specific wire for
strings. As I order from one individual in the UK on a regular basis, I
would join the template team and be in charged of the "Period Keyboard
Restoration" category and build templates according to the needs in this
category.

Another example, which has been discussed, is a "Religions ->
Evangelical" category, where the person responsible for this section
would be in charge of templating various forms that done regularly by
church admins, church music directors, chruch ministers etc.

If we were to setup a Templating Team group and published a large
variety of templates, then the LibO suite would become more valuable as
an Office suite for everyone.

We would not have to find "templating specialists" but in most cases, we
could all make an effort to convince people who are active in a
particular domain and has a central administering role in making an
organisation work. These people would be the most likely people to  make
use of repetitive chores/documents. We could then organise a "templating
mentoring programme" where members could get help in learning on how to
template as well as on-hands help in template construction.

What do you think?

BTW, I do have a person who may be interested in creating some templates
for Evangelical church routines. She just needs a little more convincing
as she is too busy filling out forms that she does on a weekly
repetitive basis.


Cheers

Marc


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On Tue Nov 02 2010 10:43:36 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Marc Paré wrote:
> I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising
> "Templating Teams"?
>
> This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an
> official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to
> come up with different templates for various categories. The members
> would be picked according to their expertise in these categories.
>

In general I agree with you.  But why limit to those that have expertise
in a given area.  I may not have the expertise but I can and have worked
up templates for others.  The person may have an idea or details but not
be able to do the template due to lack of understanding on how to use
style or the like.  A real team would have expertise in several areas
working together.

Andy


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On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 13:43 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:

> I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising
> "Templating Teams"?
>
> This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an
> official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to
> come up with different templates for various categories. The members
> would be picked according to their expertise in these categories.
>
> For example, I am an expert in 14th-19th century keyboard
> reconstruction. Some of my regular jobs is to order specific wire for
> strings. As I order from one individual in the UK on a regular basis, I
> would join the template team and be in charged of the "Period Keyboard
> Restoration" category and build templates according to the needs in this
> category.
>
> Another example, which has been discussed, is a "Religions ->
> Evangelical" category, where the person responsible for this section
> would be in charge of templating various forms that done regularly by
> church admins, church music directors, chruch ministers etc.
>
> If we were to setup a Templating Team group and published a large
> variety of templates, then the LibO suite would become more valuable as
> an Office suite for everyone.

Hi Marc,

Great idea - not sure we need a team, per se, but a place to collect
these would be of great help, IMO.

I would be bold enough to turn this email around and challenge you to
help lead this by putting together a short presentation on LibreOffice /
ODF / FOSS as if you where to deliver this to a small group, say at a
lunch time presentation to the IT team of a small public school system
in CA, as this I believe is your personal perspective. To be clear I'm
not speaking of a template specifically, rather it is the content, write
a 15 minute presentation.

I would not be so bold without willingness to also help - IMO a great
presentation to have as a shared resource would be one going over the
pre-LibreOffice history of the applications. Specifically I'm thinking
of taking the wiki page from OOo that covers the first 10 years and
using that as the basis for this, 4-6, page presentation "Roots - The
Story of LibreOffice" or some such. It can be an ice breaker for small
meetup groups, or the first 3 pages to presentations by others.

So, what do you say - shall we get the first 2 shared presentations into
the LibreOffice Presentation Library...

Drew

>
> We would not have to find "templating specialists" but in most cases, we
> could all make an effort to convince people who are active in a
> particular domain and has a central administering role in making an
> organisation work. These people would be the most likely people to  make
> use of repetitive chores/documents. We could then organise a "templating
> mentoring programme" where members could get help in learning on how to
> template as well as on-hands help in template construction.
>
> What do you think?
>
> BTW, I do have a person who may be interested in creating some templates
> for Evangelical church routines. She just needs a little more convincing
> as she is too busy filling out forms that she does on a weekly
> repetitive basis.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Marc
>
>



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Le 2010-11-02 14:14, Andy Brown a écrit :

> On Tue Nov 02 2010 10:43:36 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote:
>> I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising
>> "Templating Teams"?
>>
>> This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an
>> official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to
>> come up with different templates for various categories. The members
>> would be picked according to their expertise in these categories.
>>
>
> In general I agree with you. But why limit to those that have expertise
> in a given area. I may not have the expertise but I can and have worked
> up templates for others. The person may have an idea or details but not
> be able to do the template due to lack of understanding on how to use
> style or the like. A real team would have expertise in several areas
> working together.
>
> Andy
>
>

Agreed. Anyone could do it. I find that when you team up people with a
common interest, then their passion for that common interest, they will
feed off each other. An individual such as yourself could help in
focussing their work and help with their technical knowledge.

Marc


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On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 11:14 -0700, Andy Brown wrote:

> On Tue Nov 02 2010 10:43:36 GMT-0700 (PDT)  Marc Paré wrote:
> > I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising
> > "Templating Teams"?
> >
> > This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an
> > official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to
> > come up with different templates for various categories. The members
> > would be picked according to their expertise in these categories.
> >
>
> In general I agree with you.  But why limit to those that have expertise
> in a given area.  

Hi Andy,

I think it would be good to look at this in a limited way - which is
this, there would be good value in encouraging people to create these
targeted presentations, targeted to a usage, occupationally focused,
group, and created by individuals with solid experience in occupational
field. (education, medicine, build mailing ...)

I would not take that to mean that anyone would value less general use
presentations and would specifically encourage you to offer anything you
would want to produce. I know you have worked on some tri-fold style
pieces and in your case a general type LibreOffice presentation and
tri-fold brochure piece, ready for local printing (most folks can handle
5-10 pieces) would be IMO a huge contribution.

Thanks

Drew

> I may not have the expertise but I can and have worked
> up templates for others.  The person may have an idea or details but not
> be able to do the template due to lack of understanding on how to use
> style or the like.  A real team would have expertise in several areas
> working together.
>
> Andy
>
>



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On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 14:34 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:

> Le 2010-11-02 14:14, Andy Brown a écrit :
> > On Tue Nov 02 2010 10:43:36 GMT-0700 (PDT) Marc Paré wrote:
> >> I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising
> >> "Templating Teams"?
> >>
> >> This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an
> >> official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to
> >> come up with different templates for various categories. The members
> >> would be picked according to their expertise in these categories.
> >>
> >
> > In general I agree with you. But why limit to those that have expertise
> > in a given area. I may not have the expertise but I can and have worked
> > up templates for others. The person may have an idea or details but not
> > be able to do the template due to lack of understanding on how to use
> > style or the like. A real team would have expertise in several areas
> > working together.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
>
> Agreed. Anyone could do it. I find that when you team up people with a
> common interest, then their passion for that common interest, they will
> feed off each other. An individual such as yourself could help in
> focussing their work and help with their technical knowledge.
>
Hi Marc

Well, actually there is a rather natural team function possible here
also - team as in one or more individuals willing to take on some
personal responsibilities.

Mainly - over the course time lots of people will be giving
presentations at lots of venues - it would nice IMO to have someone
willing to coordinate a library of these presentations - links, copies,
I'm not sure, most likely a combination. The team could look at and
present to the overall project their ideas for getting a good system in
place such that when people want to find these old artifacts they can.

Anyway - a more general comment on your idea

Drew



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On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 14:24 -0400, drew wrote:
> Specifically I'm thinking
> of taking the wiki page from OOo that covers the first 10 years and
> using that as the basis for this, 4-6, page presentation "Roots - The
> Story of LibreOffice" or some such. It can be an ice breaker for small
> meetup groups, or the first 3 pages to presentations by others.

Hi, just recalled - at the 10 year history page over at the OO.o wiki,
there was an edit, added as an ending, a few days before the front page
began pointing to the wiki page - I asked the person that added it to
please remove it, and said that there would be time to use it after the
13th..I went back and grabbed it from the logs..it is pretty good as the
last entry <> first entry in this 'history' IMO


        September 2010: '''Corporate development and community
        effort.''' To the tenth anniversary of the project, a new era in
        the development of OpenOffice.org has commenced. The project
        diversified and strengthened its activities with the
        establishment of an independent foundation for OpenOffice.org,
        "The Document Foundation", comprising of efforts by the Oracle
        development team, by the OpenOffice.org community, by Go-OO.org,
        and other third parties. Although Oracle as primary funding
        organisation of the OpenOffice.org development was not involved
        in the establishment of the new foundation, it may become member
        and one of the leading members of The Document Foundation.
       
        Gerald
       
just passing it along...

Drew


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Le 2010-11-02 14:24, drew a écrit :

> Hi Marc,
>
> Great idea - not sure we need a team, per se, but a place to collect
> these would be of great help, IMO.
>
> I would be bold enough to turn this email around and challenge you to
> help lead this by putting together a short presentation on LibreOffice /
> ODF / FOSS as if you where to deliver this to a small group, say at a
> lunch time presentation to the IT team of a small public school system
> in CA, as this I believe is your personal perspective. To be clear I'm
> not speaking of a template specifically, rather it is the content, write
> a 15 minute presentation.
>
> I would not be so bold without willingness to also help - IMO a great
> presentation to have as a shared resource would be one going over the
> pre-LibreOffice history of the applications. Specifically I'm thinking
> of taking the wiki page from OOo that covers the first 10 years and
> using that as the basis for this, 4-6, page presentation "Roots - The
> Story of LibreOffice" or some such. It can be an ice breaker for small
> meetup groups, or the first 3 pages to presentations by others.
>
> So, what do you say - shall we get the first 2 shared presentations into
> the LibreOffice Presentation Library...
>
> Drew

Hi Drew. Thanks for the answer.

I don't think that this would work at the level that I was speaking of.
I really hadn't thought of it for the students at the
elementary/secondary levels. As far as repetitive events, as educators,
we use these as tools to solidify student abilities (not knowledge) in
performing tasks. For example, there could be template on setting up the
form of a short story, but this would defeat the purpose of the exercise
in having the student identifying the principal parts and working within
these parameters. In my opinion, at this level, we would want to present
to groups of teachers.

I see templates as being more useful in Academia where setting formats
are of little concern from the point of view of student assessment. The
students are expected to be experienced in many abilities and the focus
is mostly on knowledge. (Perhaps not as much at the College level where,
in Canada, the focus is still in a small way built on student abilities
but in large part knowledge.)

Templates, in my opinion, are really useful in different domains of
which too many. I would imagine that if there were a "LibO Template
Team" that we would want to encourage "templaters" who would be
interested in the larger and more conventional domains such as
"business"; "legal"; "music"; "cooking"; "education"; "academia" etc.
Under these domains there would be a breakdown to smaller components of
that particular domain.

I would rather concentrate on starting with very passionate individuals
who are deeply active in a particular domain and its inner workings and
convince them to try templating with, at first, mentoring. Once this
person is able to template, I think that we would find that she/he would
have had conferenced with people like her/him and had more individuals
interested in joining. These individuals are always in search of
perfecting their work habits.

Its a case of finding the right individuals, light the fuse, mentoring
and seeing them work and connect with others like them.

Marc


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Le 2010-11-02 14:44, drew a écrit :

> Hi Marc
>
> Well, actually there is a rather natural team function possible here
> also - team as in one or more individuals willing to take on some
> personal responsibilities.
>
> Mainly - over the course time lots of people will be giving
> presentations at lots of venues - it would nice IMO to have someone
> willing to coordinate a library of these presentations - links, copies,
> I'm not sure, most likely a combination. The team could look at and
> present to the overall project their ideas for getting a good system in
> place such that when people want to find these old artifacts they can.
>
> Anyway - a more general comment on your idea
>
> Drew
>

Nice! I like this. These teams could then present to their colleagues
and take care of its constant "reminders" to their user groups.

We would have to help then tool up for this.

Marc


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Le 2010-11-02 14:39, drew a écrit :

>
> Hi Andy,
>
> I think it would be good to look at this in a limited way - which is
> this, there would be good value in encouraging people to create these
> targeted presentations, targeted to a usage, occupationally focused,
> group, and created by individuals with solid experience in occupational
> field. (education, medicine, build mailing ...)
>
> I would not take that to mean that anyone would value less general use
> presentations and would specifically encourage you to offer anything you
> would want to produce. I know you have worked on some tri-fold style
> pieces and in your case a general type LibreOffice presentation and
> tri-fold brochure piece, ready for local printing (most folks can handle
> 5-10 pieces) would be IMO a huge contribution.
>
> Thanks
>
> Drew
>

Actually, I would see Andrew's job more like the technical mentor of the
group. Sometimes it is better to have a person who is not really
entrenched in that particular activity and to shed new eyes on the
problem. In essence, templating is often a way to simplify or to
organize a regular/repetitive operation. Individuals like Andy would be
an asset in that they may find a different route to the template's
expected result.

Marc


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Le 2010-11-02 14:24, drew a écrit :

> Hi Marc,
>
> Great idea - not sure we need a team, per se, but a place to collect
> these would be of great help, IMO.
>
> I would be bold enough to turn this email around and challenge you to
> help lead this by putting together a short presentation on LibreOffice /
> ODF / FOSS as if you where to deliver this to a small group, say at a
> lunch time presentation to the IT team of a small public school system
> in CA, as this I believe is your personal perspective. To be clear I'm
> not speaking of a template specifically, rather it is the content, write
> a 15 minute presentation.
>

Hi Drew:

I have done such live presentations but not with a specifically designed
presentations for IT groups. From the years of my committee work and
advocating OOo and now LibO I can tell you one thing for sure, if there
is no LibO IT support for Migration from MSO to LibO as well as LibO
networking support you will not get IT interested. We can present all we
want, we can convince teacher, staff all we want, but IT, who holds all
of the connectivity cards, will not agree to a LibO installation until
LibO has a solid LibO network support option as well a clear MSO
migration support option for the Office/Admin.

They feel even more at ease if this support is a paid support. I imagine
that this is most likely the same for large business organisations.
School boards are considered equal to larger organisations. My school
board teaches approximately 100,000 students and has over 10,000
cmputers. And we are not considered a large school board. We are pretty
well considered a medium size school board.

This is why I was so interested in the different support levels
(1,2,3,4) when they were mentioned. If we are to have an impact in
schools, then we have to address this need for support either at our OSS
level, where we could develop an opensource support ticket system or
until we find a "for-profit" support ticket system. This would
definitely "clinch" the sale of LibO to school organisations.

Selling the product to teachers and parents is, in my opinion, still
important as we are going about it the grass roots way. Once the
students clamour for ODF support from the MSO installations in schools,
as well as parents, then scool board will have a close look at
migrations. But, again, without support, IT will look at MSO import
filters instead of migrating.

Marc


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Le 2010-11-02 15:25, Marc Paré a écrit :

> Le 2010-11-02 14:24, drew a écrit :
>
>> Hi Marc,
>>
>> Great idea - not sure we need a team, per se, but a place to collect
>> these would be of great help, IMO.
>>
>> I would be bold enough to turn this email around and challenge you to
>> help lead this by putting together a short presentation on LibreOffice /
>> ODF / FOSS as if you where to deliver this to a small group, say at a
>> lunch time presentation to the IT team of a small public school system
>> in CA, as this I believe is your personal perspective. To be clear I'm
>> not speaking of a template specifically, rather it is the content, write
>> a 15 minute presentation.
>>
>
> Hi Drew:
>
> I have done such live presentations but not with a specifically designed
> presentations for IT groups. From the years of my committee work and
> advocating OOo and now LibO I can tell you one thing for sure, if there
> is no LibO IT support for Migration from MSO to LibO as well as LibO
> networking support you will not get IT interested. We can present all we
> want, we can convince teacher, staff all we want, but IT, who holds all
> of the connectivity cards, will not agree to a LibO installation until
> LibO has a solid LibO network support option as well a clear MSO
> migration support option for the Office/Admin.
>
> They feel even more at ease if this support is a paid support. I imagine
> that this is most likely the same for large business organisations.
> School boards are considered equal to larger organisations. My school
> board teaches approximately 100,000 students and has over 10,000
> cmputers. And we are not considered a large school board. We are pretty
> well considered a medium size school board.
>
> This is why I was so interested in the different support levels
> (1,2,3,4) when they were mentioned. If we are to have an impact in
> schools, then we have to address this need for support either at our OSS
> level, where we could develop an opensource support ticket system or
> until we find a "for-profit" support ticket system. This would
> definitely "clinch" the sale of LibO to school organisations.
>
> Selling the product to teachers and parents is, in my opinion, still
> important as we are going about it the grass roots way. Once the
> students clamour for ODF support from the MSO installations in schools,
> as well as parents, then scool board will have a close look at
> migrations. But, again, without support, IT will look at MSO import
> filters instead of migrating.
>
> Marc
>
>
Actually, Sophie's reference to this:

http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/resources/case-studies/french-national-police-force-saves-%E2%82%AC2-million-year-ubuntu?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4ccea3acab49d9,067

  is exactly how the IT at school boards look at migrations. The support
must be there before it is accepted. We should then be looking at the
different distros adopting the LibO as their office suite of choice for
large installations.

Marc


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Le mardi 02 novembre 2010 à 13:43 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit :

> I was just wondering if there was ever in OOo talk of organising
> "Templating Teams"?
>
> This was touched on in another thread. The idea would be to have an
> official LibO Templating Team where the teams' only task would be to
> come up with different templates for various categories. The members
> would be picked according to their expertise in these categories.
>
> For example, I am an expert in 14th-19th century keyboard
> reconstruction. Some of my regular jobs is to order specific wire for
> strings. As I order from one individual in the UK on a regular basis, I
> would join the template team and be in charged of the "Period Keyboard
> Restoration" category and build templates according to the needs in this
> category.
>
> Another example, which has been discussed, is a "Religions ->
> Evangelical" category, where the person responsible for this section
> would be in charge of templating various forms that done regularly by
> church admins, church music directors, chruch ministers etc.
>
> If we were to setup a Templating Team group and published a large
> variety of templates, then the LibO suite would become more valuable as
> an Office suite for everyone.
>
> We would not have to find "templating specialists" but in most cases, we
> could all make an effort to convince people who are active in a
> particular domain and has a central administering role in making an
> organisation work. These people would be the most likely people to  make
> use of repetitive chores/documents. We could then organise a "templating
> mentoring programme" where members could get help in learning on how to
> template as well as on-hands help in template construction.
>
> What do you think?
>
> BTW, I do have a person who may be interested in creating some templates
> for Evangelical church routines. She just needs a little more convincing
> as she is too busy filling out forms that she does on a weekly
> repetitive basis.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Marc
>
>


Wow ! I am realy impressed as you all seem really concerned by
churches ! I don't know if it is due to the "french" culture, but I am
not used to care that much about religions !


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[off list] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams

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On Tue Nov 02 2010 11:39:35 GMT-0700 (PDT)  drew wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> I think it would be good to look at this in a limited way - which is
> this, there would be good value in encouraging people to create these
> targeted presentations, targeted to a usage, occupationally focused,
> group, and created by individuals with solid experience in occupational
> field. (education, medicine, build mailing ...)
>
> I would not take that to mean that anyone would value less general use
> presentations and would specifically encourage you to offer anything you
> would want to produce. I know you have worked on some tri-fold style
> pieces and in your case a general type LibreOffice presentation and
> tri-fold brochure piece, ready for local printing (most folks can handle
> 5-10 pieces) would be IMO a huge contribution.
>

Do we have somewhere set aside on the wiki to up load items?  I have
redone the pamphlet and would like others to look at and give feedback.
  I also have a couple of templates that I did that I can move/convert
to LibO that I can up load as well.

Andy


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Re: [off list] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Templating Teams

On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 13:24 -0700, Andy Brown wrote:
> Do we have somewhere set aside on the wiki to up load items?  I have
> redone the pamphlet and would like others to look at and give
> feedback.
>   I also have a couple of templates that I did that I can
> move/convert
> to LibO that I can up load as well.

I would recommend we use the language naming so:

<wiki>/EN/Marketing-Materials
<wiki>/EN/Marketing-Materials#presentations
<wiki>/EN/Marketing-Materials#handouts
<wiki>/EN/Marketing-Materials#sets
...

However there is already this page:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material

What I would suggest is that you do this:
Create what you have in mind.
Upload to the wiki
On your personal page add a link to the upload, and a few lines
describing what the item is.
Let the list know
Somewhere between now and then, should be able to figure out how we want
to lay that out on the wiki.

Best wishes,

Drew


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Re: Templating Teams

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On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:07 +0100, Monfort Florian wrote:
> Wow ! I am realy impressed as you all seem really concerned by
> churches ! I don't know if it is due to the "french" culture, but I am
> not used to care that much about religions !

Yes I think it may be quite true that this is a regional difference -
not just for OO.o/LibreOffice alone, but FOSS in general IMO. Which is
really to say, in the general population.

But from personal experience OOo has a strong user base in the faith
communities, and they are many, in North America.

Education is another possible difference - I've come into contact with
some in the home schooling, religious and charter school movements in
the US. This group is IMO much more open to accepting of FOSS. I'm not
sure there is a real correlation to these groups in some other
geographic areas..but I could be full of hot air on that (what it's like
in other places) also..I do know there is interest in that group in the
US anyway.

Best wishes,

Drew


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Re: [off list] Re: Templating Teams

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Le 2010-11-02 16:32, drew a écrit :

> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 13:24 -0700, Andy Brown wrote:
>> Do we have somewhere set aside on the wiki to up load items?  I have
>> redone the pamphlet and would like others to look at and give
>> feedback.
>>    I also have a couple of templates that I did that I can
>> move/convert
>> to LibO that I can up load as well.
>
> I would recommend we use the language naming so:
>
> <wiki>/EN/Marketing-Materials
> <wiki>/EN/Marketing-Materials#presentations
> <wiki>/EN/Marketing-Materials#handouts
> <wiki>/EN/Marketing-Materials#sets
> ...
>
> However there is already this page:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Material
>
> What I would suggest is that you do this:
> Create what you have in mind.
> Upload to the wiki
> On your personal page add a link to the upload, and a few lines
> describing what the item is.
> Let the list know
> Somewhere between now and then, should be able to figure out how we want
> to lay that out on the wiki.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
>

Hi Drew and Andy

I saw that Florian, on some mailist (can't remember which one), has
asked someone to help out with the Wiki. We may have be able to have a
re-name session for pages before the pages get too numerous and out of
control. Drew's language naming convention seems to make sense. Maybe if
we all agreed, we could devote a morning or afternoon to re-naming pages
to fit an agreed-to naming convention and then get the machinery going
again. I think that ideas/discussions are thrown together at such a fast
pace that we all forget about the nitty-gritty such as things like the
naming-conventions.

May I suggest that if we know that a page will sit at the top of the
pyramid, that on that page, there should be an example of the agreed-to
naming convention for the sub-pages? This way we will have a referral
page that we could see for our own use.

By doing this simple gesture of posting the naming convention, it will
be easier to make sense of the pages' architecture for all.

NOTE: If Florian needs more help with the Wiki, just for deletion,
and/or renaming purposes, I would submit Drew as an excellent candidate
as he seems to know quite a bit of how naming conventions should be
applied and obviously the talent and skills to do this. Sorry, Drew, I
just felt like I had to say this. You are, after all, quite adept at
many things amd you have gained all of my trust over the last few weeks.

Marc


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Re: Templating Teams

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Le 2010-11-02 17:48, drew a écrit :

> On Tue, 2010-11-02 at 21:07 +0100, Monfort Florian wrote:
>> Wow ! I am realy impressed as you all seem really concerned by
>> churches ! I don't know if it is due to the "french" culture, but I am
>> not used to care that much about religions !
>
> Yes I think it may be quite true that this is a regional difference -
> not just for OO.o/LibreOffice alone, but FOSS in general IMO. Which is
> really to say, in the general population.
>
> But from personal experience OOo has a strong user base in the faith
> communities, and they are many, in North America.
>
> Education is another possible difference - I've come into contact with
> some in the home schooling, religious and charter school movements in
> the US. This group is IMO much more open to accepting of FOSS. I'm not
> sure there is a real correlation to these groups in some other
> geographic areas..but I could be full of hot air on that (what it's like
> in other places) also..I do know there is interest in that group in the
> US anyway.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
>

Hi Drew, same thing here. While School Board's seem to have their hands
tied to IT support, many educational partners have now come on board and
they would use LibO more for work if it weren't for the fact that the
head offices insist on using MSO. If there were enough templates for the
teachers, then we could win them over; if more students were using their
LibO suites at home (we could convince them with coolness factors such
as adding the ability of Firefox "personas" as well as the theming of
menu buttons), the both groups could sway the school boards into
considering larger installations of the LibO suite.

Religious organisations are really interested due to the price
difference. However, it is my feeling that if MS sees this as losing a
market share, then they will lower their prices. I really think that at
that point we will not be able to compete at the price level. Then we
will have to offer these organisations more value for using the LibO
products, such as in the everlasting ODF formats (Marketing ad: "If the
Bible were written in ODF format, then you would only have to print it
today 2,000 years later! ODF puts the trust in words!"); as well, we
could sell it with Templates and solid user support. (ahem ... we still
need to put a clear button on our website to advertise our user support
options!)

If we were to sell LibO to these two groups in N. Amer., we would then
have access to a very large network of people who are used to helping
others and some of which could join the LibO team to help out.

Marc


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Re: Templating Teams

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On 11/02/2010 05:43 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

>The members would be picked according to their expertise in these categories.

The ability to create a template is more important that knowledge of the
field.

> If we were to setup a Templating Team group and published a large variety of templates, then the LibO suite would become more valuable as an Office suite for everyone.

My suggestion would to be provide a templating_team with the
specifications for the template, and let them create the template. A
clean room implementation of the template.

> creating some templates for Evangelical church routines.

For some things, such as membership records, a database is required.
(I'm not going to get into a PICK v RDBM debate here.)

For others, a simple Write, Calc, or Impress template is suitable.

In an ideal situation, there is a database_creation team, that works in
conjunction with the template_creation team.

The template_creation team create a calc, impress, or write template,
that is then passed on to the database_creation team.  This (database)
team then determines whether this is something that is suitable for a
database, and if so, creates a database, and the associated interface
requirements.

[Database rant: LibO should either add SQLite as a built in database
engine, or else replace Base database engine with SQLite.]

My guess is that some, if not most of the databases, will have to be
constructed as extensions. For example, a genealogical database would
have to be able to both import, and export data in GEDCOM format.

With experience, the database_creation team and the template_creation
team can construct templates, extensions, databases, and other items
that are on a par with those for MSO that have an MSRP of US$10K+.

jonathon
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Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai Kálmán „KAMI” Szalai
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Re: Templating Teams

Hi All,

I would like to offer OxygenOffice Collected and Managed templates here. We
created and collected a plenty of templates during the half decade. This
template pack is available for a free license. The collection is a bit mixed
in term of quality, usability and language support but we have good base to
start the work here and many languages are supported and also we have common
(language independent section to). I tried to organize and collect more
information about the collected templates. I hope they maybe useful for the
LibO community. Tempates are available in extension site and they are
collected in a svn repository.

https://ooop.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/ooop/trunk/extras/source/

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/taxonomy/term/34

Best regards,

KAMI

2010/11/3 jonathon <[hidden email]>

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> On 11/02/2010 05:43 PM, Marc Paré wrote:
>
> >The members would be picked according to their expertise in these
> categories.
>
> The ability to create a template is more important that knowledge of the
> field.
>
> > If we were to setup a Templating Team group and published a large variety
> of templates, then the LibO suite would become more valuable as an Office
> suite for everyone.
>
> My suggestion would to be provide a templating_team with the
> specifications for the template, and let them create the template. A
> clean room implementation of the template.
>
> > creating some templates for Evangelical church routines.
>
> For some things, such as membership records, a database is required.
> (I'm not going to get into a PICK v RDBM debate here.)
>
> For others, a simple Write, Calc, or Impress template is suitable.
>
> In an ideal situation, there is a database_creation team, that works in
> conjunction with the template_creation team.
>
> The template_creation team create a calc, impress, or write template,
> that is then passed on to the database_creation team.  This (database)
> team then determines whether this is something that is suitable for a
> database, and if so, creates a database, and the associated interface
> requirements.
>
> [Database rant: LibO should either add SQLite as a built in database
> engine, or else replace Base database engine with SQLite.]
>
> My guess is that some, if not most of the databases, will have to be
> constructed as extensions. For example, a genealogical database would
> have to be able to both import, and export data in GEDCOM format.
>
> With experience, the database_creation team and the template_creation
> team can construct templates, extensions, databases, and other items
> that are on a par with those for MSO that have an MSRP of US$10K+.
>
> jonathon
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