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Unable to use dotx files

My company has provided ".dotx" files as a template for me to use, but I cannot open it correctly rendered in LibreOffice 3.6.4 or LO-dev 4.0 Beta 2.

Essentially the header and footer are protected fields created in Word 2010 with graphics and text, and the body is open for text, but supposedly with limitations of manipulation.

When I open the file I have a page that looks blank with a field to type in, but the header and footer seem stripped out, and I can manipulate more than I think I am supposed to.

Is "dotx" supported by LibreOffice, is there anything I can try to remedy this?

I'm happy to supply the document if that would be helpful.

From MS Word I've saved the file as a "doc" and then worked from there--which mostly works.  It preserves the content and formatting of the header and footer 90% (margins are off a little).  But I do not have MS Word formatting restrictions applied.

Another example of a "dotx" template file converted to "doc" in Word locks me out of the file all together by a password prompt when I click "Edit"!

Thank you!
Jay Lozier Jay Lozier
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Re: Unable to use dotx files

On 01/07/2013 06:19 PM, kahu wrote:

> My company has provided ".dotx" files as a template for me to use, but I
> cannot open it correctly rendered in LibreOffice 3.6.4 or LO-dev 4.0 Beta 2.
>
> Essentially the header and footer are protected fields created in Word 2010
> with graphics and text, and the body is open for text, but supposedly with
> limitations of manipulation.
>
> When I open the file I have a page that looks blank with a field to type in,
> but the header and footer seem stripped out, and I can manipulate more than
> I think I am supposed to.
>
> Is "dotx" supported by LibreOffice, is there anything I can try to remedy
> this?
>
> I'm happy to supply the document if that would be helpful.
>
> >From MS Word I've saved the file as a "doc" and then worked from
> there--which mostly works.  It preserves the content and formatting of the
> header and footer 90% (margins are off a little).  But I do not have MS Word
> formatting restrictions applied.
>
> Another example of a "dotx" template file converted to "doc" in Word locks
> me out of the file all together by a password prompt when I click "Edit"!
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
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Hi

Please post the file on either a website and post the link or use Nabble
to attach the file.

Most of the comments will be about docx files but I think dotx is very
similar. You might be able to get at the actual xml data by unzipping
the dotx file. The exact instructions depend on your OS. This method
works with docx files.

Once you get the file open I would try saving it as ODF template file.
We recommend using native format (ODF) whenever possible and only
converting to other formats as a last step. This generally causes less
overall problems.

Please advise your OS.

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Re: Unable to use dotx files

Thank you.  I am using both Windows and OpenSUSE as a OS.

I have the need to keep to a "doc" or "docx" format as a final product, because of the requirements of the company currently.  (I would love to change this!)

Here is the primary template:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0HMHW6qyzS-TUFMMjJjS0tKbzg

Again, for me it just opens up as a blank document, when it should open with populated header and footer content, as it does in Word.
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On 01/07/2013 06:50 PM, kahu wrote:
> Thank you.  I am using both Windows and OpenSUSE as a OS.
>
> I have the need to keep to a "doc" or "docx" format as a final product,
> because of the requirements of the company currently.  (I would love to
> change this!)
I find it best to work in ODF formats then after the final save of the
ODF document use SAVE AS and save to the desired MS format. When I
receive a file I open and then save to the appropriate ODF format if I
plan to edit the document.

>
> Here is the primary template:
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0HMHW6qyzS-TUFMMjJjS0tKbzg
>
> Again, for me it just opens up as a blank document, when it should open with
> populated header and footer content, as it does in Word.
>
>
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With Linux Mint I was able to directly unzip the dotx file using Ark and
inspect the various XML files. I found a couple name header and footer
but was stopped because I was not sure what the text layout should look
like. Hopefully someone else can explain where the formating information
is hidden. I could easily open the XML files once I had them, so cutting
and pasting is a possibility.



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Re: Unable to use dotx files

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On 01/07/2013 03:19 PM, kahu wrote:

> My company has provided ".dotx" files as a template for me to use, but I
> cannot open it correctly rendered in LibreOffice 3.6.4 or LO-dev 4.0 Beta 2.
>
> Essentially the header and footer are protected fields created in Word 2010
> with graphics and text, and the body is open for text, but supposedly with
> limitations of manipulation.
>
> When I open the file I have a page that looks blank with a field to type in,
> but the header and footer seem stripped out, and I can manipulate more than
> I think I am supposed to.
>
> Is "dotx" supported by LibreOffice, is there anything I can try to remedy
> this?
>
> I'm happy to supply the document if that would be helpful.
>
>>From MS Word I've saved the file as a "doc" and then worked from
> there--which mostly works.  It preserves the content and formatting of the
> header and footer 90% (margins are off a little).  But I do not have MS Word
> formatting restrictions applied.
>
> Another example of a "dotx" template file converted to "doc" in Word locks
>...

In LO 3.5 (linux) I get the header & footer as frames.

If I expand the header frame I can see:
"Jared and Kim Meidal WORLD IMPACT-THE OAKS
[hidden email] 18651 Pine Canyon Rd.
[hidden email] Lake Hughes, CA 93532
        (661) 724-1018"

If I expand the footer I can see:

"Camping and Conference ministry of WORLD IMPACT, INC.
NATIONAL OFFICE                             2001 S. Vermont Avenue Los
Angeles, California 90007
(323) 735-1137
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/World.Impact.Inc • E-mail:
[hidden email] • Website: www.worldimpact.org"

And I can see the logo in the upper right corner.

In 3.6.4.3 (linux & Windows) I get the same results as you (blank).

IIMO it's a bug.


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Re: Unable to use dotx files

I really would like to see a "fix" for this which would allow for other users to open "dotx" files within our organization by simple steps--not just me, but something I can recommend to anyone else.  If it is a technical process of extraction I think using another software would be the only other option for others unfortunately.

The content you found in the header and footer is also what appears when rendering in Word.  In LibreOffice 3.6, 4.0b2 I don't think I have any content at all in the heading, but it reads "Heading (Converted1)".  I have not seen the "converted" part before.

Here is another file which was a "dotx" and then saved within Word 2010 to a "doc" format:
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0HMHW6qyzS-MWZrNHd4dTB5TnM
I can open it fine in LibreOffice, but not edit the body at all--instead it prompts for a password (which is what I think is supposed to protect the header/footer content). Opening this file in Word the body can be edited without a password prompt.
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Re: Unable to use dotx files

Hi :)
I just used MSO 2010 to save as a normal Word document

Meidal_Jared.doc

and also as a proper OpenDocument Format file

Meidal_Jared.odt

In MSO 2010 the header looks nicely lined up but the footer looks like it was made by someone else in the organisation and uses spaces instead of tab-stops to 'format'.  Normally if i got around to it i would send such things off-list but since they are published on-line anyway i thought it would be ok this time.  

I couldn't download the 2nd file.  
Regards from
Tom :)  
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Re: Unable to use dotx files

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Hi :)
+1
Yes, i think a bug-report would be great. 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport
Regards from
Tom :) 






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>Thank you.  I am using both Windows and OpenSUSE as a OS.
>
>I have the need to keep to a "doc" or "docx" format as a final product,
>because of the requirements of the company currently.  (I would love to
>change this!)
>
>Here is the primary template:
>https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0HMHW6qyzS-TUFMMjJjS0tKbzg
>
>Again, for me it just opens up as a blank document, when it should open with
>populated header and footer content, as it does in Word.
>
>
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I would be happy to start a bug request for this--thanks for your work on this with me.

Can you help me define exactly what the problem is, so I can explain what needs to be addressed in the report?
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On 01/08/2013 06:57 PM, kahu wrote:
> I would be happy to start a bug request for this--thanks for your work on
> this with me.
>
> Can you help me define exactly what the problem is, so I can explain what
> needs to be addressed in the report?
Writer does not open a dotx file correctly. Describe like you did the
problem and summarize any useful suggestions you tried. Also include the
document in the report. Also, include the nabble thread url

http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Unable-to-use-dotx-files-tp4027691p4027872.html

If the devs/QA team have any questions they will ask you.
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Re: Unable to use dotx files

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On 01/08/2013 03:57 PM, kahu wrote:
> I would be happy to start a bug request for this--thanks for your work on
> this with me.
>
> Can you help me define exactly what the problem is, so I can explain what
> needs to be addressed in the report?

<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=LibreOffice&content=dotx>

Appears that there is a bug open prior to yours that may be related:
<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41190>
[FORMATTING, FILEOPEN: no drop-down field when open docx template file]

Way too many for 'docx' to easily go through:
<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=LibreOffice&content=docx>





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Re: Unable to use dotx files

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On 01/07/2013 06:29 PM, kahu wrote:

> I really would like to see a "fix" for this which would allow for other users
> to open "dotx" files within our organization by simple steps--not just me,
> but something I can recommend to anyone else.  If it is a technical process
> of extraction I think using another software would be the only other option
> for others unfortunately.
>
> The content you found in the header and footer is also what appears when
> rendering in Word.  In LibreOffice 3.6, 4.0b2 I don't think I have any
> content at all in the heading, but it reads "Heading (Converted1)".  I have
> not seen the "converted" part before.
>
> Here is another file which was a "dotx" and then saved within Word 2010 to a
> "doc" format:
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B0HMHW6qyzS-MWZrNHd4dTB5TnM
> I can open it fine in LibreOffice, but not edit the body at all--instead it
> prompts for a password (which is what I think is supposed to protect the
> header/footer content). Opening this file in Word the body can be edited
> without a password prompt.
...

I also get the same (linux 3.6.4.3). However, if I do a 'Save As' on the
file (to .doc/.odt/.ott) and then reopen the 'saved as' in LO, the
password protection is gone & I can then edit. Give it a try to see if
you can do the same. I suspect that something in the .doc is setting a
password protection flag - and then re-saving removes it.

Note: Saving as a .docx screws up the header. The footer seems OK.



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Re: Unable to use dotx files

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On 08/01/2013, kahu <[hidden email]> wrote:
> My company has provided ".dotx" files as a template for me to use, but I
> cannot open it correctly rendered in LibreOffice 3.6.4 or LO-dev 4.0 Beta
> 2.
>

Here we go _again_: why didn't the company provide you with m$ along
with the template?

>
> Is "dotx" supported by LibreOffice, is there anything I can try to remedy
> this?
>

Are odf templates supported by m$?

>
> >From MS Word I've saved the file as a "doc" and then worked from
> there--which mostly works.  It preserves the content and formatting of the
> header and footer 90% (margins are off a little).  But I do not have MS
> Word
> formatting restrictions applied.
>

What is the purpose of using m$o to create an m$ document and then
complain that LO can't open it?

Strategically, do you intend to use LO to promote odf or simply as a
free m$ clone?

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Hi :)
Generally i find people start off using it as a free MS clone and then start switching to using the better formats as they become more familiar with it and as people around them start finding they can accept decent formats too.  Even MSO can read ODF now (not well of course but it's getting better slowly)
Regards from
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>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Unable to use dotx files
>
>On 08/01/2013, kahu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> My company has provided ".dotx" files as a template for me to use, but I
>> cannot open it correctly rendered in LibreOffice 3.6.4 or LO-dev 4.0 Beta
>> 2.
>>
>
>Here we go _again_: why didn't the company provide you with m$ along
>with the template?
>
>>
>> Is "dotx" supported by LibreOffice, is there anything I can try to remedy
>> this?
>>
>
>Are odf templates supported by m$?
>
>>
>> >From MS Word I've saved the file as a "doc" and then worked from
>> there--which mostly works.  It preserves the content and formatting of the
>> header and footer 90% (margins are off a little).  But I do not have MS
>> Word
>> formatting restrictions applied.
>>
>
>What is the purpose of using m$o to create an m$ document and then
>complain that LO can't open it?
>
>Strategically, do you intend to use LO to promote odf or simply as a
>free m$ clone?
>
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[OT] Here e-letter goes again... was Re: Unable to use dotx files

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On 01/10/2013 05:21 AM, e-letter wrote:
> On 08/01/2013, kahu <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> My company has provided ".dotx" files as a template for me to use, but I
>> cannot open it correctly rendered in LibreOffice 3.6.4 or LO-dev 4.0 Beta
>> 2.
>>
>
> Here we go _again_: why didn't the company provide you with m$ along
> with the template?

Yes, here you go... again.

Real world situations sometimes aren't what we may like. For example,
have you ever tried to convince a local government to not provide .dotx?

<http://www.sccgov.org/sites/ec/jobseeker/careerskills/Pages/application_process.aspx>

"Employment Connection offers a Job Application Template which may be
used as a guide for completing job applications at any employer. Below
are instructions for preparing and completing our Job Application Template."

<http://www.sccgov.org/sites/ec/SiteCollectionDocuments/master_application.docx>

Now I suppose that one could go to the next SCC (the home of Silicon
Valley btw) public meeting & request a change. Or contact the department
responsible for the web page. (I might to all) But in reality I suspect
that it would take an act of <deity> to get them to add an .odt anytime
soon. Do you think I could get them to issue a copy of MSO to every
citizen in the county?

Forget the fact that some older versions of MSO will not be able to open
the .dotx without a huge downloaded extension... At least LO users are
able to open the .dotx. Unfortunately, the result is not useable in LO
without major document modifications (LO 3.6.x and 4.0dev).
In the meantime, I'm thankful that LO does open the dotx files and that
the filter(s) are improving. I suggest that the filters do improve due
to folks testing/trying & then providing bug reports when the filter(s)
does not work as expected.

But we've all been through your (IMO) uncalled for blather before,
haven't we? How about either contributing to the technical aspect of
this thread, or not commenting at all?

<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette>
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