Verification problem with OSX and GB language pack

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Roger Hayter Roger Hayter
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Verification problem with OSX and GB language pack

If I install Libreoffice 5.0 on a MAC using Mountain Lion, OSX 10.8.5, and then install the English (GB) language pack, the first time I open LO it fails verification and tells me I should delete LO (and presumably re-download the 'damaged' file).   However, if I install from the main, US locale, installer and open the program after installation and before adding the language pack, it verifies itself and opens.  I can then close it and install the language pack with no further problem.

I don't know how specific to my setup this problem is, and whether it is worth reporting as a bug.   Has anyone else observed this?

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Piet van Oostrum-2 Piet van Oostrum-2
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Re: Verification problem with OSX and GB language pack

Roger Hayter wrote:

 > If I install Libreoffice 5.0 on a MAC using Mountain Lion, OSX 10.8.5, and then install the English (GB) language pack, the first time I open LO it fails verification and tells me I should delete LO (and presumably re-download the 'damaged' file).   However, if I install from the main, US locale, installer and open the program after installation and before adding the language pack, it verifies itself and opens.  I can then close it and install the language pack with no further problem.
 >
 > I don't know how specific to my setup this problem is, and whether it is worth reporting as a bug.   Has anyone else observed this?

This is an artefact of the interaction of the way OS X does the verification, and the way language packas are installed. Installation of the language pack changes the application, thereby making it invalid. After verification, OS X doesn't care anymore whether you change the application (but this may change in future OS versions).

The proper way to install is (as you described above in your second attempt):

1. Install the base version of LO.
2. Open LO so that OS X will very it.
3. Close LO
4. Install the language pack.

This also applies to other LO versions and later versions of OS X.

The proper way for LO to solve this (IMHO) would be to put the language packs outside the application.
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Thanks, I've learnt something new about OSX!   Although I didn't actually notice the problem in 4.4, perhaps I or the installer did something differently.  I think this could merit a mention in the README for the installer, which people might pick up, at least after their original install went wrong.



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On 16 Aug 2015, at 12:05, Piet van Oostrum <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Roger Hayter wrote:
>
>> If I install Libreoffice 5.0 on a MAC using Mountain Lion, OSX 10.8.5, and then install the English (GB) language pack, the first time I open LO it fails verification and tells me I should delete LO (and presumably re-download the 'damaged' file).   However, if I install from the main, US locale, installer and open the program after installation and before adding the language pack, it verifies itself and opens.  I can then close it and install the language pack with no further problem.
>>
>> I don't know how specific to my setup this problem is, and whether it is worth reporting as a bug.   Has anyone else observed this?
>
> This is an artefact of the interaction of the way OS X does the verification, and the way language packas are installed. Installation of the language pack changes the application, thereby making it invalid. After verification, OS X doesn't care anymore whether you change the application (but this may change in future OS versions).
>
> The proper way to install is (as you described above in your second attempt):
>
> 1. Install the base version of LO.
> 2. Open LO so that OS X will very it.
> 3. Close LO
> 4. Install the language pack.
>
> This also applies to other LO versions and later versions of OS X.
>
> The proper way for LO to solve this (IMHO) would be to put the language packs outside the application.
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Le 16/08/2015 14:29, Roger Hayter a écrit :
> Thanks, I've learnt something new about OSX!   Although I didn't actually notice the problem in 4.4, perhaps I or the installer did something differently.  I think this could merit a mention in the README for the installer, which people might pick up, at least after their original install went wrong.
>
>
>
There was a fix for the later 4.x version of LibreOffice.

See bug 93331 in the LibreOffice bugtracker for a report on the problems
encountered with 5.x installation sets.


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Roger Hayter Roger Hayter
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Re: Verification problem with OSX and GB language pack

That's helpful - my bug search was rather too superficial, and I shouldn't have relied on Apple terminology.  Pretty harmless problem once you know about it.
 
(I might have another go at looking at the multitude of bugs on duplex printing - my big problem with Libreoffice - but if I can't make sense of them I might start a new thread here, seeing everyone is so helpful.)

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On 16 Aug 2015, at 14:13, Alexander Thurgood <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Le 16/08/2015 14:29, Roger Hayter a écrit :
>> Thanks, I've learnt something new about OSX!   Although I didn't actually notice the problem in 4.4, perhaps I or the installer did something differently.  I think this could merit a mention in the README for the installer, which people might pick up, at least after their original install went wrong.
>>
>>
>>
> There was a fix for the later 4.x version of LibreOffice.
>
> See bug 93331 in the LibreOffice bugtracker for a report on the problems
> encountered with 5.x installation sets.
>
>
> Alex
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Larry Gusaas Larry Gusaas
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Re: Verification problem with OSX and GB language pack

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On 2015-08-16, 7:13 AM Alexander Thurgood wrote:
> Le 16/08/2015 14:29, Roger Hayter a écrit :
>> Thanks, I've learnt something new about OSX!   Although I didn't actually notice the problem in 4.4, perhaps I or the installer did something differently.  I think this could merit a mention in the README for the installer, which people might pick up, at least after their original install went wrong.
> There was a fix for the later 4.x version of LibreOffice.
>
> See bug 93331 in the LibreOffice bugtracker for a report on the problems
> encountered with 5.x installation sets.

Bug #93331 does not exist.

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Larry Gusaas wrote:

 > On 2015-08-16, 7:13 AM Alexander Thurgood wrote:
]...]
 > > See bug 93331 in the LibreOffice bugtracker for a report on the problems
 > > encountered with 5.x installation sets.
 >
 > Bug #93331 does not exist.

It certainly does exist: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93331
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On 2015-08-16, 3:08 PM Piet van Oostrum wrote concerning "[libreoffice-users] Re: Verification
problem with OSX and GB language pack":

> Larry Gusaas wrote:
>
>   > On 2015-08-16, 7:13 AM Alexander Thurgood wrote:
> ]...]
>   > > See bug 93331 in the LibreOffice bugtracker for a report on the problems
>   > > encountered with 5.x installation sets.
>   >
>   > Bug #93331 does not exist.
>
> It certainly does exist: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93331

Are there two separate bug lists? I searched for the LibreOffice bug list with Google and got
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=553598&order=bug_id&product=LibreOffice&query_format=specific

It did not have the bug listed.



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Larry Gusaas wrote:

 > Are there two separate bug lists? I searched for the LibreOffice bug list with Google and got
 > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=553598&order=bug_id&product=LibreOffice&query_format=specific
 >
 > It did not have the bug listed.

That's the old bug tracker. It is no longer used for LibreOffice. I think they should indicate that somehow. The new one is  https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/
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Roger Hayter Roger Hayter
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I think it is more a search engine problem - I didn't find it from part of the site, but did from a circuitous route via the "how to add a bug" instructions.  Anyway, it is here:


https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93331


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On 16 Aug 2015, at 21:36, Larry Gusaas <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2015-08-16, 7:13 AM Alexander Thurgood wrote:
>> Le 16/08/2015 14:29, Roger Hayter a écrit :
>>> Thanks, I've learnt something new about OSX!   Although I didn't actually notice the problem in 4.4, perhaps I or the installer did something differently.  I think this could merit a mention in the README for the installer, which people might pick up, at least after their original install went wrong.
>> There was a fix for the later 4.x version of LibreOffice.
>>
>> See bug 93331 in the LibreOffice bugtracker for a report on the problems
>> encountered with 5.x installation sets.
>
> Bug #93331 does not exist.
>
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