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This is ridiculous. I've just been reading a question from a 2008 (3.2)
version of OpenOffice.org that is the same as my current problem. Namely
that you can't place images in the background on a business card.

I'm using LibreOffice 5.2 (Debian) and when I insert an image, it
refuses to go behind the text whether I select Arrange | Send to back or
Wrap | wrap through. It will go behind the text if I select Wrap | in
background but then it disappears. And no, before you ask, the paragraph
fill is set to none.

I finally found a setting in Format | Page | Transparency where setting
the transparency to 100% worked. Strangely the original setting was 50%
which resulted in the background image being hidden completely. A quick
experiment revealed that ANY setting other than 100% hid the background
image.

I have no idea what this "feature" is for but it seems completely
unintuitive and in conflict with the paragraph background setting, not
to mention the wrap in background feature.

So my beef is:
1) Arrange doesn't appear to work on labels,
2) wrap through doesn't appear to work on labels,
3) there seems to be a page background that is in front of any
background image,
4) the transparency setting for that page background only has two values
- 100% or opaque, and
5) this situation has been around for at least 8 years without being fixed.

Why can't the developers address these basic problems?

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Peter Hillier-Brook Peter Hillier-Brook
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Re: background images in business cards

On 21/12/16 22:56, Gary Dale wrote:

> This is ridiculous. I've just been reading a question from a 2008 (3.2)
> version of OpenOffice.org that is the same as my current problem. Namely
> that you can't place images in the background on a business card.
>
> I'm using LibreOffice 5.2 (Debian) and when I insert an image, it
> refuses to go behind the text whether I select Arrange | Send to back or
> Wrap | wrap through. It will go behind the text if I select Wrap | in
> background but then it disappears. And no, before you ask, the paragraph
> fill is set to none.
>
> I finally found a setting in Format | Page | Transparency where setting
> the transparency to 100% worked. Strangely the original setting was 50%
> which resulted in the background image being hidden completely. A quick
> experiment revealed that ANY setting other than 100% hid the background
> image.
>
> I have no idea what this "feature" is for but it seems completely
> unintuitive and in conflict with the paragraph background setting, not
> to mention the wrap in background feature.
>
> So my beef is:
> 1) Arrange doesn't appear to work on labels,
> 2) wrap through doesn't appear to work on labels,
> 3) there seems to be a page background that is in front of any
> background image,
> 4) the transparency setting for that page background only has two values
> - 100% or opaque, and
> 5) this situation has been around for at least 8 years without being fixed.
>
> Why can't the developers address these basic problems?

If you use a table for your layout then placing an image in the
background behaves as you would wish. Sadly LibreOffice uses a
frame-based layout for labels and that might be where your problem lies.

I do not experience problems with my Avery business card stock using the
table based approach.

Peter HB



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Tractor Tractor
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Re: background images in business cards

Hi Peter,
In the download section at World Label, there are templates for
OpenOffice/LibreOffice. These are table style templates, and they work
beautifully.

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> On 21/12/16 22:56, Gary Dale wrote:
> > This is ridiculous. I've just been reading a question from a 2008 (3.2)
> > version of OpenOffice.org that is the same as my current problem. Namely
> > that you can't place images in the background on a business card.
> >
> > I'm using LibreOffice 5.2 (Debian) and when I insert an image, it
> > refuses to go behind the text whether I select Arrange | Send to back or
> > Wrap | wrap through. It will go behind the text if I select Wrap | in
> > background but then it disappears. And no, before you ask, the paragraph
> > fill is set to none.
> >
> > I finally found a setting in Format | Page | Transparency where setting
> > the transparency to 100% worked. Strangely the original setting was 50%
> > which resulted in the background image being hidden completely. A quick
> > experiment revealed that ANY setting other than 100% hid the background
> > image.
> >
> > I have no idea what this "feature" is for but it seems completely
> > unintuitive and in conflict with the paragraph background setting, not
> > to mention the wrap in background feature.
> >
> > So my beef is:
> > 1) Arrange doesn't appear to work on labels,
> > 2) wrap through doesn't appear to work on labels,
> > 3) there seems to be a page background that is in front of any
> > background image,
> > 4) the transparency setting for that page background only has two values
> > - 100% or opaque, and
> > 5) this situation has been around for at least 8 years without being
> fixed.
> >
> > Why can't the developers address these basic problems?
>
> If you use a table for your layout then placing an image in the
> background behaves as you would wish. Sadly LibreOffice uses a
> frame-based layout for labels and that might be where your problem lies.
>
> I do not experience problems with my Avery business card stock using the
> table based approach.
>
> Peter HB
>
>
>
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Re: background images in business cards

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On 21/12/16 06:25 PM, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote:

> On 21/12/16 22:56, Gary Dale wrote:
>> This is ridiculous. I've just been reading a question from a 2008 (3.2)
>> version of OpenOffice.org that is the same as my current problem. Namely
>> that you can't place images in the background on a business card.
>>
>> I'm using LibreOffice 5.2 (Debian) and when I insert an image, it
>> refuses to go behind the text whether I select Arrange | Send to back or
>> Wrap | wrap through. It will go behind the text if I select Wrap | in
>> background but then it disappears. And no, before you ask, the paragraph
>> fill is set to none.
>>
>> I finally found a setting in Format | Page | Transparency where setting
>> the transparency to 100% worked. Strangely the original setting was 50%
>> which resulted in the background image being hidden completely. A quick
>> experiment revealed that ANY setting other than 100% hid the background
>> image.
>>
>> I have no idea what this "feature" is for but it seems completely
>> unintuitive and in conflict with the paragraph background setting, not
>> to mention the wrap in background feature.
>>
>> So my beef is:
>> 1) Arrange doesn't appear to work on labels,
>> 2) wrap through doesn't appear to work on labels,
>> 3) there seems to be a page background that is in front of any
>> background image,
>> 4) the transparency setting for that page background only has two values
>> - 100% or opaque, and
>> 5) this situation has been around for at least 8 years without being fixed.
>>
>> Why can't the developers address these basic problems?
> If you use a table for your layout then placing an image in the
> background behaves as you would wish. Sadly LibreOffice uses a
> frame-based layout for labels and that might be where your problem lies.
>
> I do not experience problems with my Avery business card stock using the
> table based approach.
>
> Peter HB
I am using Avery business card (5371 - white letter size) template.

I gather you are suggesting creating a table to do the layout rather
than simply using the normal paragraph/text tools. That would place the
table above the graphic background, obviating the problem instead of
fixing it.

Given that it doesn't work this way when creating, for example,
letterhead, I still fail to see why this should be treated as anything
other than a long-standing bug. I created letterhead for the same
organization using the same graphic and Wrap through and Wrap in
background both work. Wrap through has the image above the text while
wrap in background has the text above the image. Page transparency is
irrelevant.

Perhaps the developers have some reason why the user experience for
these two similar types of documents should be so different but It
strikes me as a flaw in the user interface that should be fixed.

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On 21/12/16 06:46 PM, Don Myers wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> In the download section at World Label, there are templates for
> OpenOffice/LibreOffice. These are table style templates, and they work
> beautifully.
>
Yes but the fact that you can get around a bug doesn't mean the bug
doesn't exist.  :)

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Le 21/12/2016 à 23:56, Gary Dale a écrit :

The behaviour you describe is reported as :

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34585

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62505

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=20209

https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=32724

One can see from the OOo bug reports that there was already a call to
have NoFill equate to 100% transparency, even back then.



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On 12/21/2016 11:10 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 21/12/16 06:46 PM, Don Myers wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>> In the download section at World Label, there are templates for
>> OpenOffice/LibreOffice. These are table style templates, and they work
>> beautifully.
>>
> Yes but the fact that you can get around a bug doesn't mean the bug
> doesn't exist.  :)
>
Wow

I never saw that issue before.  Tried every way to have an image in the
background [5.2.3.3 DEB] and I cannot seem to get your "fix" working.  I
am wondering if the text's  "internal white space" can be made
transparent?  That is where I seem to get the current issues.

I wonder if it would be too much to create a business card image file -
with the background - in GIMP or DRAW and then just place that image in
the first card space and sync all the rest of the card spaces?  How much
of a "pain" would it be to do that till the bug gets fixed?

I use the Background options with WRITER created fliers, posters [US
Letter to 13x19 inch], and other documents.  I really would have thought
it would work the same in the Business Card Templates.


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On 22/12/16 01:50 PM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

> On 12/21/2016 11:10 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
>> On 21/12/16 06:46 PM, Don Myers wrote:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> In the download section at World Label, there are templates for
>>> OpenOffice/LibreOffice. These are table style templates, and they work
>>> beautifully.
>>>
>> Yes but the fact that you can get around a bug doesn't mean the bug
>> doesn't exist.  :)
>>
> Wow
>
> I never saw that issue before.  Tried every way to have an image in
> the background [5.2.3.3 DEB] and I cannot seem to get your "fix"
> working.  I am wondering if the text's  "internal white space" can be
> made transparent?  That is where I seem to get the current issues.
>
> I wonder if it would be too much to create a business card image file
> - with the background - in GIMP or DRAW and then just place that image
> in the first card space and sync all the rest of the card spaces?  How
> much of a "pain" would it be to do that till the bug gets fixed?
>
> I use the Background options with WRITER created fliers, posters [US
> Letter to 13x19 inch], and other documents.  I really would have
> thought it would work the same in the Business Card Templates.
>
>
The problem with creating a single image for the entire card is that you
can't use a database to fill it easily - such as the same card design
for multiple employees, just with different names and contact information.

The problem doesn't seem to the "internal white space" so much as the
page the text sits on. You can make the page transparent (Format | Page
| Transparency - set to 100%) which fixes the problem. It's just not
very intuitive.

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On 22/12/16 04:01 AM, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

> Le 21/12/2016 à 23:56, Gary Dale a écrit :
>
> The behaviour you describe is reported as :
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=34585
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62505
>
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=20209
>
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=32724
>
> One can see from the OOo bug reports that there was already a call to
> have NoFill equate to 100% transparency, even back then.
>
>
>
> Alex
Merci. It makes me wonder why anyone thought the current behaviour was
somehow a good idea.  :(


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