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[libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

Hi all,

for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc is
a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However, a
non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some languages.
Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech (see the bug [1]).

I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report it
by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.

Thank you,
Stanislav


[1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63272

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

Hi, Eike!

Am 01.06.2016 um 21:25 schrieb Stanislav Horáček:

>
> for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc
> is a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However,
> a non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some
> languages. Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech
> (see the bug [1]).
>
> I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
> percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report
> it by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.

For German a non-breaking space between number and percent sign as well
as units is required, too.

Thanks,
Christian.

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When you enter 5% in cell which is formatted as NUMBER (GENERAL), does
it automatically convert to 5,00 % (for new Czech and Finnish setup)?

Mihovil


01.06.2016 u 21:25, Stanislav Horáček je napisao/la:

> Hi all,
>
> for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc
> is a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However, a
> non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some languages.
> Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech (see the bug
> [1]).
>
> I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
> percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report
> it by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.
>
> Thank you,
> Stanislav
>
>
> [1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63272
>


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02.06.2016 u 07:15, Christian Kühl je napisao/la:

> Hi, Eike!
>
> Am 01.06.2016 um 21:25 schrieb Stanislav Horáček:
>>
>> for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc
>> is a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However,
>> a non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some
>> languages. Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech
>> (see the bug [1]).
>>
>> I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
>> percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report
>> it by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.
>
> For German a non-breaking space between number and percent sign as well
> as units is required, too.
>
> Thanks,
> Christian.
>

Same for Croatian: 1 m; 62,5 %; 0,5 ‰; 3 kg; 2 m; 220 V; 60 W; 50 m/s...

And then 5 °C but 180^o 20′ 50″.


Is it possible to use non-braking space in AutoCorretion? Is there some
html-like notation or something?

Kruno

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No please don't for now. Kruno and I will first talk before we make this
decision.

Mihovil


02.06.2016 u 09:23, Kruno je napisao/la:

>
>
> 02.06.2016 u 07:15, Christian Kühl je napisao/la:
>> Hi, Eike!
>>
>> Am 01.06.2016 um 21:25 schrieb Stanislav Horáček:
>>>
>>> for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc
>>> is a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However,
>>> a non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some
>>> languages. Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech
>>> (see the bug [1]).
>>>
>>> I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
>>> percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report
>>> it by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.
>>
>> For German a non-breaking space between number and percent sign as well
>> as units is required, too.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Christian.
>>
>
> Same for Croatian: 1 m; 62,5 %; 0,5 ‰; 3 kg; 2 m; 220 V; 60 W; 50 m/s...
>
> And then 5 °C but 180^o 20′ 50″.
>
>
> Is it possible to use non-braking space in AutoCorretion? Is there
> some html-like notation or something?
>
> Kruno
>


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

Well, we can talk, but there's nothing to be talked about...

See here: http://pravopis.hr/pravilo/bjelina/54/

It's not controversial topic in Croatian orthography. Personal
preferences and that "I used to" really should not be an argument here.
If we have Croatian local, then this is what we must do.

You can always switch to English local for some special usage or cases.

Having regular space would be a bad idea, and even I would appose, but
having a non-breaking space is exactly what we need.

I'll let Mihovil to decide and not interfere, but it's plain simple...

Kruno



02.06.2016 u 09:27, Mihovil Stanić je napisao/la:

> No please don't for now. Kruno and I will first talk before we make
> this decision.
>
> Mihovil
>
>
> 02.06.2016 u 09:23, Kruno je napisao/la:
>>
>>
>> 02.06.2016 u 07:15, Christian Kühl je napisao/la:
>>> Hi, Eike!
>>>
>>> Am 01.06.2016 um 21:25 schrieb Stanislav Horáček:
>>>>
>>>> for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc
>>>> is a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However,
>>>> a non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some
>>>> languages. Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech
>>>> (see the bug [1]).
>>>>
>>>> I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
>>>> percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report
>>>> it by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.
>>>
>>> For German a non-breaking space between number and percent sign as well
>>> as units is required, too.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Christian.
>>>
>>
>> Same for Croatian: 1 m; 62,5 %; 0,5 ‰; 3 kg; 2 m; 220 V; 60 W; 50 m/s...
>>
>> And then 5 °C but 180^o 20′ 50″.
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to use non-braking space in AutoCorretion? Is there
>> some html-like notation or something?
>>
>> Kruno
>>
>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

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Hi,

No space is needed for Turkish, but the place of the percent sign is
wrong; it should be placed before the number (like %5 rather than 5%)[0]
and I have sent a patch to fix that.[1] (btw It also affects the tables
added in lo writer)

I don't know how we didn't realize this before. Thank you for bringing
this to our attention.

Thanks,
Muhammet

[0]
http://www.tdk.gov.tr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=182:Sayilarin-
[1] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/25805/


On 06/01/2016 10:25 PM, Stanislav Horáček wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc
> is a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However, a
> non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some languages.
> Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech (see the bug
> [1]).
>
> I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
> percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report
> it by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.
>
> Thank you,
> Stanislav
>
>
> [1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63272
>


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Although, if it's not fixable in all mentioned cases (without braking
something somewhere else), maybe better to let alone.

No point having 5 % and 5kn...

Kruno


02.06.2016 u 09:35, Kruno je napisao/la:

> Well, we can talk, but there's nothing to be talked about...
>
> See here: http://pravopis.hr/pravilo/bjelina/54/
>
> It's not controversial topic in Croatian orthography. Personal
> preferences and that "I used to" really should not be an argument
> here. If we have Croatian local, then this is what we must do.
>
> You can always switch to English local for some special usage or cases.
>
> Having regular space would be a bad idea, and even I would appose, but
> having a non-breaking space is exactly what we need.
>
> I'll let Mihovil to decide and not interfere, but it's plain simple...
>
> Kruno
>
>
>
> 02.06.2016 u 09:27, Mihovil Stanić je napisao/la:
>> No please don't for now. Kruno and I will first talk before we make
>> this decision.
>>
>> Mihovil
>>
>>
>> 02.06.2016 u 09:23, Kruno je napisao/la:
>>>
>>>
>>> 02.06.2016 u 07:15, Christian Kühl je napisao/la:
>>>> Hi, Eike!
>>>>
>>>> Am 01.06.2016 um 21:25 schrieb Stanislav Horáček:
>>>>>
>>>>> for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc
>>>>> is a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However,
>>>>> a non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some
>>>>> languages. Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech
>>>>> (see the bug [1]).
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
>>>>> percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report
>>>>> it by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.
>>>>
>>>> For German a non-breaking space between number and percent sign as
>>>> well
>>>> as units is required, too.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Christian.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Same for Croatian: 1 m; 62,5 %; 0,5 ‰; 3 kg; 2 m; 220 V; 60 W; 50
>>> m/s...
>>>
>>> And then 5 °C but 180^o 20′ 50″.
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it possible to use non-braking space in AutoCorretion? Is there
>>> some html-like notation or something?
>>>
>>> Kruno
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Hi,

Dne 2.6.2016 v 09:18 Mihovil Stanić napsal(a):
> When you enter 5% in cell which is formatted as NUMBER (GENERAL), does
> it automatically convert to 5,00 % (for new Czech and Finnish setup)?
>
> Mihovil

yes, the entered 5% (or 5 % with the space) is converted to 5,00 % for
the new setup (and to 5,00% for the old one).

Stanislav

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

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Sorry for list noise, but since Stanislav confirmed that it won't change
funcionality, I'm ok with adding space between number and % (for HR) as
Kruno suggested.

Mihovil


02.06.2016 u 09:23, Kruno je napisao/la:

>
>
> 02.06.2016 u 07:15, Christian Kühl je napisao/la:
>> Hi, Eike!
>>
>> Am 01.06.2016 um 21:25 schrieb Stanislav Horáček:
>>>
>>> for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc
>>> is a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However,
>>> a non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some
>>> languages. Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech
>>> (see the bug [1]).
>>>
>>> I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
>>> percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report
>>> it by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.
>>
>> For German a non-breaking space between number and percent sign as well
>> as units is required, too.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Christian.
>>
>
> Same for Croatian: 1 m; 62,5 %; 0,5 ‰; 3 kg; 2 m; 220 V; 60 W; 50 m/s...
>
> And then 5 °C but 180^o 20′ 50″.
>
>
> Is it possible to use non-braking space in AutoCorretion? Is there
> some html-like notation or something?
>
> Kruno
>


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

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Den 01.06.2016 21:25, Stanislav Horáček skreiv:

> Hi all,
>
> for most locales, formatting code for the "Percent" category in Calc
> is a number followed by the percent sign without any space. However, a
> non-breaking space is usually put after the number in some languages.
> Thanks to Eike, this has been fixed for Finnish and Czech (see the bug
> [1]).
>
> I believe that more locales need to be corrected - please check the
> percentage format in your locale and if the space is missing, report
> it by replying to this thread - Eike will go through the replies.
>
> Thank you,
> Stanislav
>
>
> [1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63272
>
Also in Norwegian (nb and nn) there should be a non-breaking space
between the value and the unit:
4 %; 2 kg; 1 m; etc. Also in 21 °C, but 180° (angle).
Thank you doing for this.
Kolbjørn

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

2016-06-02 13:30 GMT-05:00 Kolbjørn Stuestøl <[hidden email]>:
> Also in Norwegian (nb and nn) there should be a non-breaking space between
> the value and the unit:
> 4 %; 2 kg; 1 m; etc. Also in 21 °C, but 180° (angle).

Ditto for Spanish, which follows the same rules as Norwegian and
Croatian, as mentioned in this thread.

Spanish is consistent with ISO 31-0/ISO 80000-1 standards and uses a
no-break space between a value and its unit symbol, unless it stands
above the baseline (degrees and primes). There is, however, a general
lack of education w.r.t. typographical syntax among Hispanophones, so
you can see it both spaced and unspaced, as in English. But at least
in formal or carefully-edited writing, it will be spaced.

Thanks

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Hi Christian,

On Thursday, 2016-06-02 07:15:07 +0200, Christian Kühl wrote:

> For German a non-breaking space between number and percent sign as well
> as units is required, too.

Actually only for Germany, Austria and others, but not for Suisse or
Liechtenstein.

  Eike

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

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Hi Kruno,

On Thursday, 2016-06-02 09:35:27 +0200, Kruno wrote:

> See here: http://pravopis.hr/pravilo/bjelina/54/
>
> It's not controversial topic in Croatian orthography. Personal preferences
> and that "I used to" really should not be an argument here. If we have
> Croatian local, then this is what we must do.

If in doubt consult the CLDR, see
http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/29/by_type/numbers.number_formatting_patterns.html#17acd127f9139476

The CLDR has a vetting system and they change things only after having
investigated given references.

I don't see ·hr· being listed for the percent format, so it should fall
under {#,##0%} ·all·others·, i.e. no space between number and percent
sign.

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Hi,

Eike Rathke wrote on 06-06-16 12:24:

> If in doubt consult the CLDR, see
> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/29/by_type/numbers.number_formatting_patterns.html#17acd127f9139476
>
> The CLDR has a vetting system and they change things only after having
> investigated given references.

Interesting.
If I interpret that correct, Dutch should be "#,##0%"
However, "Taalunie" (language 'authority') says, based on ISO, that for
Dutch a space before percent is official, although without space is
acceptable in non technical use.
See

http://taaladvies.net/taal/advies/tekst/114/wel_of_geen_spaties_voor_en_na_leestekens_en_symbolen_algemeen/#10

@Winfried: you're more in technical use that I am. What would be your
take here?

Ciao
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No-break space between number and percent sign done for locales listed in CLDR (was: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc)

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Hi,

So I did this for our locales that match
http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/29/by_type/numbers.number_formatting_patterns.html#17acd127f9139476

bas· ·be· ·br· ·ce· ·cs· ·cu· ·da· ·de· ·dsb· ·dua· ·en_AT· ·en_DE·
·en_DK· ·en_FI· ·en_SE· ·es· ·fi· ·fo· ·fr· ·gsw· ·hsb· ·ka· ·kl· ·ksh·
·lb· ·lt· ·nb· ·nn· ·qu· ·rm· ·rn· ·ro· ·ru· ·se· ·sk· ·sv· ·tk· ·zgh·

but not
·de_CH· ·de_LI· ·eo· ·es_CO· ·es_DO· ·es_MX· ·fr_CH· ·mt· ·prg· ·ta_MY·
·ta_SG·

(hopefully didn't miss to exclude one of those).

See
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5146c0e3ca7459db4fdc3b348cec4012555ea35

I'll also cherry-pick that to the 5-2 branch.

So there's no need anymore to ping here if your locale has the required
change.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

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Hi,

> Eike Rathke wrote on 06-06-16 12:24:
>
>> If in doubt consult the CLDR, see
>> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/29/by_type/numbers.number_formatting_patterns.html#17acd127f9139476
[...]
>
> Interesting.
> If I interpret that correct, Dutch should be "#,##0%"
> However, "Taalunie" (language 'authority') says, based on ISO, that for
> Dutch a space before percent is official, although without space is
> acceptable in non technical use.
[...]
>
> @Winfried: you're more in technical use that I am. What would be your
> take here?

My personal view (based on experiences with the use of percents) is that
between value and the percent character a space is optional and no space
is more common.
But as I cannot offer any references, let alone standards, supporting my
view, don't give too much weight to my view.

Winfried

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

[hidden email] wrote on 06-06-16 14:02:

> My personal view (based on experiences with the use of percents) is that
> between value and the percent character a space is optional and no space
> is more common.

Same here.

> But as I cannot offer any references, let alone standards, supporting my
> view, don't give too much weight to my view.

Since we have the shared idea that 'no-space' is more common, lets
simply keep it that way. And in case some technical authority might
start nagging us, we know how&where to change.

Thanks,
Cor

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc

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06.06.2016 u 12:24, Eike Rathke je napisao/la:

> Hi Kruno,
>
> On Thursday, 2016-06-02 09:35:27 +0200, Kruno wrote:
>
>> See here: http://pravopis.hr/pravilo/bjelina/54/
>>
>> It's not controversial topic in Croatian orthography. Personal preferences
>> and that "I used to" really should not be an argument here. If we have
>> Croatian local, then this is what we must do.
> If in doubt consult the CLDR, see
> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/29/by_type/numbers.number_formatting_patterns.html#17acd127f9139476
>
> The CLDR has a vetting system and they change things only after having
> investigated given references.
>
> I don't see ·hr· being listed for the percent format, so it should fall
> under {#,##0%} ·all·others·, i.e. no space between number and percent
> sign.
>
>    Eike
>

I'm not in doubt but not perusing this ether. Leave it (for now). :)

Kruno

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Re: No-break space between number and percent sign done for locales listed in CLDR (was: [libreoffice-l10n] Missing space in formatting of percents in Calc)

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Hi,


2016-06-06 14:00 GMT+03:00 Eike Rathke <[hidden email]>:
> Hi,
>
> So I did this for our locales that match
> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/29/by_type/numbers.number_formatting_patterns.html#17acd127f9139476
>
> bas· ·be· ·br· ·ce· ·cs· ·cu· ·da· ·de· ·dsb· ·dua· ·en_AT· ·en_DE·
> ·en_DK· ·en_FI· ·en_SE· ·es· ·fi· ·fo· ·fr· ·gsw· ·hsb· ·ka· ·kl· ·ksh·
> ·lb· ·lt· ·nb· ·nn· ·qu· ·rm· ·rn· ·ro· ·ru· ·se· ·sk· ·sv· ·tk· ·zgh·

Revert it for ru (Russian), please.
We do not use space between number and "%". It may be an half space
but not nbsp.

http://orfogrammka.ru/%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0/%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B8_%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%82_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84_%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%81_%D1%81_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC/

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