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Modestas Rimkus Modestas Rimkus
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Hi,

can someone confirm what is the number of new words for 5.3? I got more
than 5.3k of untranslated words in master for Lithuanian after the update,
which is a bit demotivating. Still hope something might have gone wrong
during the update process :)

https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui still displays
the old number of untranslated words - 2502 (and old total number as well -
100 863).
As soon as I open the language page (
https://translations.documentfoundation.org/lt/libo_ui), the number of
untranslated words changes to 7863 (and total to 101 784). Confusing...

Br,
Modestas

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Hi Modestas,
Le 27/12/2016 à 10:25, Modestas Rimkus a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> can someone confirm what is the number of new words for 5.3? I got more
> than 5.3k of untranslated words in master for Lithuanian after the update,
> which is a bit demotivating. Still hope something might have gone wrong
> during the update process :)
>
> https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui still displays
> the old number of untranslated words - 2502 (and old total number as well -
> 100 863).
> As soon as I open the language page (
> https://translations.documentfoundation.org/lt/libo_ui), the number of
> untranslated words changes to 7863 (and total to 101 784). Confusing...
For French, I have the same count of 100 532 for both. Templates shows
99 885 for both too.
I think this is the same bug Andras was talking about. Be aware also
that some languages have not been updated against template the last
time, so both may have an effect.
There is still about a month to go on with translation and still 5.3.0
will not be for production, hope that will let us time to catch up
without too much pressure.
Cheers
Sophie

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Croatian shows 102.264 on all projects page, with 5482 untranslated,
where 5.2 was 100% translated.
So there is really 5482 new strings in 5.3?

Should I wait more with translating or everything I mentioned above is
correct and I can start translating?

Best regards,
Mihovil

27.12.2016 u 10:38, Sophie je napisao/la:

> Hi Modestas,
> Le 27/12/2016 à 10:25, Modestas Rimkus a écrit :
>> Hi,
>>
>> can someone confirm what is the number of new words for 5.3? I got more
>> than 5.3k of untranslated words in master for Lithuanian after the update,
>> which is a bit demotivating. Still hope something might have gone wrong
>> during the update process :)
>>
>> https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/libo_ui still displays
>> the old number of untranslated words - 2502 (and old total number as well -
>> 100 863).
>> As soon as I open the language page (
>> https://translations.documentfoundation.org/lt/libo_ui), the number of
>> untranslated words changes to 7863 (and total to 101 784). Confusing...
> For French, I have the same count of 100 532 for both. Templates shows
> 99 885 for both too.
> I think this is the same bug Andras was talking about. Be aware also
> that some languages have not been updated against template the last
> time, so both may have an effect.
> There is still about a month to go on with translation and still 5.3.0
> will not be for production, hope that will let us time to catch up
> without too much pressure.
> Cheers
> Sophie
>


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Hi Mihovil,

Le 27/12/2016 à 10:56, Mihovil Stanić a écrit :
> Croatian shows 102.264 on all projects page, with 5482 untranslated,
> where 5.2 was 100% translated.
> So there is really 5482 new strings in 5.3?

I see both on the all project page and on the master UI are 101 730.
I think that your language has not been updated against template the
last time, the script has silently stopped hence we decided to run the
upgrade.
I've checked with French, svx sc and sw have the same numbers and we
didn't have that amount to translate after the last update 4 days ago.

But to be sure, could you send me the link where you see 102 264?
>
> Should I wait more with translating or everything I mentioned above is
> correct and I can start translating?

I think you should go on. Cloph is currently on vacation and with this
mess in statistics it's not easy, but comparing with French, where
translation was complete and updated before the migration, I see no
differences.
I'll have another check when I get you link.
@Olivier, did you finished your translation before the migration and the
last update against template (I would like to have another language for
reference)? thanks

Cheers
Sophie

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Hello Sophie, all


Em 27/12/2016 08:21, Sophie escreveu:
> differences.
> I'll have another check when I get you link.
> @Olivier, did you finished your translation before the migration and the
> last update against template (I would like to have another language for
> reference)? thanks
>
> Cheers
> Sophie
Last  time I had it 100% was early September. Then the templates
auto-update stopped for me and Pootle upgrade followed. In short, I had
these >5000 words in UI to work on too.

The bad news is the number of strings.
The good news is that they are "90%" fuzzy, because most are about the
UI bars and menus instead of new features/commands, so the strings were
in the translation memory.

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Hi Olivier, Sophie, all,

2016-12-27 13:51 GMT+02:00 Olivier Hallot <[hidden email]>:

> The good news is that they are "90%" fuzzy, because most are about the
> UI bars and menus instead of new features/commands, so the strings were
> in the translation memory.
> ​
>

​This does not seem to be the case for me. New strings appear as
untranslated, not fuzzy, and no suggestions are given from TM​.
As an example, I had swext folder fully translated, and now it has 980
untranslated words, all in help.po file. Nothing is suggested from TM, but
were there really that many additions to the MediaWiki help?

Br,
Modestas

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Number of new strings in master

Hi,

Dne 27.12.2016 v 13:37 Modestas Rimkus napsal(a):
> ​This does not seem to be the case for me. New strings appear as
> untranslated, not fuzzy, and no suggestions are given from TM​.
> As an example, I had swext folder fully translated, and now it has 980
> untranslated words, all in help.po file. Nothing is suggested from TM, but
> were there really that many additions to the MediaWiki help?

there were no additions to the MediaWiki help, but the strings were
proofread with very minor changes - see this commit [1] (I look at the
commits history very often to see what happened).

Suggestions from TM are shown correctly for me.

Best regards,
Stanislav

[1]
https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/commit/b65c618f2d9c29838f5ed3cfe9cff4e34dea977e

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Hi,

2016-12-30 10:58 GMT+02:00 Stanislav Horáček <[hidden email]>:

> there were no additions to the MediaWiki help, but the strings were
> proofread with very minor changes - see this commit [1] (I look at the
> commits history very often to see what happened).
>
> Suggestions from TM are shown correctly for me.
>

​Thanks Stanislav!​ Unfortunately, no suggestions for me, although 5.2
master UI has these strings translated. I tend to think the translations
were too new to have been uploaded to the external TM where current
suggestions come from, and Pootle does not display suggestions from other
projects/files/strings after the upgrade :(

Br,
Modestas

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Hi,

Dne 30.12.2016 v 10:32 Modestas Rimkus napsal(a):
> ​Thanks Stanislav!​ Unfortunately, no suggestions for me, although 5.2
> master UI has these strings translated. I tend to think the translations
> were too new to have been uploaded to the external TM where current
> suggestions come from, and Pootle does not display suggestions from
> other projects/files/strings after the upgrade :(
>

yes, now I see that you are right, only external TM suggestions are
shown and they are very outdated (after some checking, I would say they
come from the beginning of the 4.x series) - and they can be more
misleading than helpful.

Could someone from the Pootle team look at this, please?

Best regards,
Stanislav






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Hi all,
the same problem seem to affect Venetian language in pootle: we have >5000
new words to teanslate in Master UI, where before the upgrade we had only
600 words to translate. Are new words all to be translated?

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In reply to this post by Stanislav Horáček
Hi,

I'm adding Dwayne in cc, Dwayne, could you have a look at this issue, as
Stanislas says, it's really misleading and error prone.
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Sophie
Le 01/01/2017 à 21:19, Stanislav Horáček a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Dne 30.12.2016 v 10:32 Modestas Rimkus napsal(a):
>> ​Thanks Stanislav!​ Unfortunately, no suggestions for me, although 5.2
>> master UI has these strings translated. I tend to think the translations
>> were too new to have been uploaded to the external TM where current
>> suggestions come from, and Pootle does not display suggestions from
>> other projects/files/strings after the upgrade :(
>>
>
> yes, now I see that you are right, only external TM suggestions are
> shown and they are very outdated (after some checking, I would say they
> come from the beginning of the 4.x series) - and they can be more
> misleading than helpful.
>
> Could someone from the Pootle team look at this, please?
>
> Best regards,
> Stanislav
>
>
>
>
>
>


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They're not all new. I had the same and I suspect it's another round of
"oh look the devs played with the en-US string names" which makes a
string "new" even if the text hasn't actually changed. There are a lot
of 100% matches in those 5000 words.

Michael

Sgrìobh Veneto ABC na leanas 03/01/2017 aig 06:45:
> Hi all,
> the same problem seem to affect Venetian language in pootle: we have >5000
> new words to teanslate in Master UI, where before the upgrade we had only
> 600 words to translate. Are new words all to be translated?
>


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Hi all,
the same problem seem to affect Russian language in pootle.
UI-master initially had more than 5000 untranslated items in master,
3790 still to do for now (4540 minus 750 from extra/souces/autocorr).

Could someone from the Pootle team look at this, please?

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2017-01-03 13:33 GMT+03:00 Michael Bauer <[hidden email]>:

> They're not all new. I had the same and I suspect it's another round of "oh
> look the devs played with the en-US string names" which makes a string "new"
> even if the text hasn't actually changed. There are a lot of 100% matches in
> those 5000 words.
>
> Michael
>
> Sgrìobh Veneto ABC na leanas 03/01/2017 aig 06:45:
>
>> Hi all,
>> the same problem seem to affect Venetian language in pootle: we have >5000
>> new words to teanslate in Master UI, where before the upgrade we had only
>> 600 words to translate. Are new words all to be translated?
>>
>
>
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