[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Help-files: Large-scale 'cosmetic' changes

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[libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Help-files: Large-scale 'cosmetic' changes

Hi Tom,

Tom Davies píše v St 16. 12. 2015 v 19:15 +0000:

> It is about the Help Files.  The Documentation Team may be able to
> make some much-needed changes to the help-files.  However, it is to
> solve a problem that only exists in English.  For all other languages
> it is, beyond doubt, already corrected purely through the translation
> process.
>
> Is there a system or tool that allows such sweeping changes without
> marking completed translations as incomplete?
>
> I think there was some discussion about developing such a tool but i
> imagine it would be extremely difficult to make something like that.
> So i would be surprised if there is anything yet.

I don't think it is terribly difficult to create such a tool, the
problem is running it - it has to by done by an admin with the access to
Pootle, so doing it string by string for each such much needed (but for
other languages cosmetic) change would be rather sub-optimal.

But - what about to introduce an 'en_US' translation in the Pootle,
where native speakers could improve the wording without changing the
meaning?  Then once per the release cycle, these could be copied back in
a way that it marks no translations fuzzy.

[Again - this does not cover those who download the .po files from
Pootle, and then upload back; but hopefully with a proper communication,
giving them enough time to upload their work before such a change, this
could be less of a problem too?]

Does that work?

All the best,
Kendy


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Help-files: Large-scale 'cosmetic' changes

Hi,

2015-12-18 09:59, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> But - what about to introduce an 'en_US' translation in the Pootle,
> where native speakers could improve the wording without changing the
> meaning?  Then once per the release cycle, these could be copied back in
> a way that it marks no translations fuzzy.

This question keeps popping up, doesn't it...

In my opinion, it's not a good idea.

First of all, I can't see how it helps in the long run: if you plan to
promote the en_US "translation" strings as source at some point, then
they will still be marked fuzzy at that given moment, and you would
still have to tackle that issue either by using some automation, or by
asking all other locales to update their translations. So, the problem
remains there, and the only change is that now you'd have to manage a
new pseudo-translation. And to write a script which promotes these
strings to the base.

On top of that (or if you don't plan to promote en-US strings as
source), I find rather awkward the idea of having "mostly proper
English, but sometimes bastardized by foreign developers" as the base
language. In my opinion, a much better idea would be to hook these
English to-be-localizers into any patch review process which involves
adding new strings. This way incorrect strings would simply not be
introduced into the application, as opposed to being introduced and then
fixed via a weird workaround.

Rimas



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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Help-files: Large-scale 'cosmetic' changes


Sgrìobh Rimas Kudelis na leanas 18/12/2015 aig 09:19:
> This question keeps popping up, doesn't it...
Every time LO (or Mozilla or whoever) decides to go "From This Kind Of
String" to "That kind of string" leading to a collective groan.
> In my opinion, it's not a good idea.
I still think that while not a heal-all, separating out the source from
en-US is a good idea. Admittedly it would require some folk to
cross-check changes to en-US to see if those are linguistic/content
fixes which need to be merged into the source but there are a LOT more
en-US speakers/developers than in many of the other l10n teams, perhaps
with the exception of German.

Michael

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