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Hi,

I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting translations
from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated or
wrong and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and
unnecessary.

(And how helpful translation from 4.3 can be for translating master when
everything from 4.3 already is in master, and we are just being
suggested something we corrected)

Thanks,
Kruno

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I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
remove just ours (HR).
But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to
remove it for everyone?

Best regards,
Mihovil

08.04.2016 u 10:07, Kruno je napisao/la:

> Hi,
>
> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting
> translations from this projects as well but those suggestions are
> often outdated or wrong and seeing them in suggestion filed can be
> quite confusing and unnecessary.
>
> (And how helpful translation from 4.3 can be for translating master
> when everything from 4.3 already is in master, and we are just being
> suggested something we corrected)
>
> Thanks,
> Kruno
>


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Mihovil Stanić wrote on 09-04-16 11:39:
> I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
> remove just ours (HR).
> But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to
> remove it for everyone?

5.0.x is still active. So now and then improvements may be added. Any
way, sometimes I do ;)


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Yes, I was aware of that and that's way I tried to backup my request
with some arguments.

But I remember times when other languages had more projects then ours,
so I guess it can work that way...


On 04/09/2016 11:39 AM, Mihovil Stanić wrote:

> I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
> remove just ours (HR).
> But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to
> remove it for everyone?
>
> Best regards,
> Mihovil
>
> 08.04.2016 u 10:07, Kruno je napisao/la:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
>> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting
>> translations from this projects as well but those suggestions are
>> often outdated or wrong and seeing them in suggestion filed can be
>> quite confusing and unnecessary.
>>
>> (And how helpful translation from 4.3 can be for translating master
>> when everything from 4.3 already is in master, and we are just being
>> suggested something we corrected)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kruno
>>
>
>


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Sorry, I thought LO 5.0.x is EOL.
Now I see there is one more release left.

My bad. :)

09.04.2016 u 11:44, Cor Nouws je napisao/la:
> Mihovil Stanić wrote on 09-04-16 11:39:
>> I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
>> remove just ours (HR).
>> But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to
>> remove it for everyone?
> 5.0.x is still active. So now and then improvements may be added. Any
> way, sometimes I do ;)
>
>


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But there's  non left for 4.3 and 4.4. :D


On 04/09/2016 11:48 AM, Mihovil Stanić wrote:

> Sorry, I thought LO 5.0.x is EOL.
> Now I see there is one more release left.
>
> My bad. :)
>
> 09.04.2016 u 11:44, Cor Nouws je napisao/la:
>> Mihovil Stanić wrote on 09-04-16 11:39:
>>> I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
>>> remove just ours (HR).
>>> But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to
>>> remove it for everyone?
>> 5.0.x is still active. So now and then improvements may be added. Any
>> way, sometimes I do ;)
>>
>>
>
>


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Hi Mihovil

For Portuguese you can remove 4.x projects for sure. We won´t touch it
anymore.

2016-04-09 10:39 GMT+01:00 Mihovil Stanić <[hidden email]>:

> I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
> remove just ours (HR).
> But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to remove
> it for everyone?
>
> Best regards,
> Mihovil
>
> 08.04.2016 u 10:07, Kruno je napisao/la:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
>> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting translations
>> from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated or
>> wrong and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and
>> unnecessary.
>>
>> (And how helpful translation from 4.3 can be for translating master when
>> everything from 4.3 already is in master, and we are just being suggested
>> something we corrected)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kruno
>>
>>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Removing old translation projects from Pootle - zh_CN

And please also remove 4.x and 5.0 for
      Simplified Chinese (zh_CN). Thanks.Kevin Suo在 2016/4/11 4:51, Sérgio Marques 写道:
Hi Mihovil


For Portuguese you can remove 4.x projects for sure. We won´t touch it
anymore.


2016-04-09 10:39 GMT+01:00 Mihovil Stanićmihovil@miho.im:I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
remove just ours (HR).
But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to remove
it for everyone?


Best regards,
Mihovil


08.04.2016 u 10:07, Kruno je napisao/la:Hi,


I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting translations
from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated or
wrong and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and
unnecessary.


(And how helpful translation from 4.3 can be for translating master when
everything from 4.3 already is in master, and we are just being suggested
something we corrected)


Thanks,
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Hi.
I feel having old versions of LO in pootle is beneficial for Marathi Locale. As you know this gives the suggestions from previously translated versions.
@Kruno - What I want to ask is how can the translations of strings get outdated ? Do you mean to say better translations are possible for the said strings ? If so, in that case also it would be good to check what translations were done by previous translators.
If not, what is the other trouble ? I am curious to know the problem.
Regards,Chandrakant Dhutadmal.
 

    On Monday, April 11, 2016 2:22 AM, Sérgio Marques <[hidden email]> wrote:
 

 Hi Mihovil

For Portuguese you can remove 4.x projects for sure. We won´t touch it
anymore.

2016-04-09 10:39 GMT+01:00 Mihovil Stanić <[hidden email]>:

> I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
> remove just ours (HR).
> But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to remove
> it for everyone?
>
> Best regards,
> Mihovil
>
> 08.04.2016 u 10:07, Kruno je napisao/la:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
>> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting translations
>> from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated or
>> wrong and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and
>> unnecessary.
>>
>> (And how helpful translation from 4.3 can be for translating master when
>> everything from 4.3 already is in master, and we are just being suggested
>> something we corrected)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kruno
>>
>>
>
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On 04/12/2016 05:49 AM, chandrakant dhutadmal wrote:
> Hi.
> I feel having old versions of LO in pootle is beneficial for Marathi Locale.

The old versions should stay then.


> @Kruno - What I want to ask is how can the translations of strings get outdated ? Do you mean to say better translations are possible for the said strings ?

Don't know for others, but it seams to me that there's a lot to correct
even when translation of particular version is done. It's easier to me
to suggest better translation if I'm looking at live translated user
interface then some string in Pootle :)

We sometimes change all occurrences of one string for particular
_context_ if we see it's not fitting right when we actually using
translated user interface. Not often, but sometimes. On the other hand,
we often change only one occurrence of a string if it's not fitting
right to a context.

So old translations tend to get outdated rather quickly. It's not that
all is outdated, but we make corrections which are really making
difference (I believe so).

> If so, in that case also it would be good to check what translations were done by previous translators. If not, what is the other trouble ? I am curious to know the problem.

If beneficial for you, older version should stay and my suggestion
should be ignored. There is no problem at all and didn't wanted to
present it as one, seamed like a practical suggestion to me.

Kruno


>
> Regards,Chandrakant Dhutadmal.
>  
>
>      On Monday, April 11, 2016 2:22 AM, Sérgio Marques <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>
>   Hi Mihovil
>
> For Portuguese you can remove 4.x projects for sure. We won´t touch it
> anymore.
>
> 2016-04-09 10:39 GMT+01:00 Mihovil Stanić <[hidden email]>:
>
>> I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
>> remove just ours (HR).
>> But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to remove
>> it for everyone?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Mihovil
>>
>> 08.04.2016 u 10:07, Kruno je napisao/la:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
>>> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting translations
>>> from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated or
>>> wrong and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and
>>> unnecessary.
>>>
>>> (And how helpful translation from 4.3 can be for translating master when
>>> everything from 4.3 already is in master, and we are just being suggested
>>> something we corrected)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kruno
>>>
>>>
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On 04/12/2016 05:49 AM, chandrakant dhutadmal wrote:
> If so, in that case also it would be good to check what translations were done by previous translators.

I sure agree with that but my logic was that older translations get to
newer versions so they are technically not lost. Translation you find
'correct' is included in newer version.

If something is good in 4.4, it's making to 5.1, but if it's not, you
are still gonna make suggestion that is and so it gets to 5.1.

What's not translated in older, it's not gonna be in newer.

I don't know if Pootle suggesting suggestion from older versions: don't
know if you can see suggestions that where not approved for 4.4 when you
translating 5.1.

But I do realize that differences in translations for different versions
can be helpful (for comparing and such) and I'm not trying to argue that.

Kruno


>  
>
>      On Monday, April 11, 2016 2:22 AM, Sérgio Marques <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>
>   Hi Mihovil
>
> For Portuguese you can remove 4.x projects for sure. We won´t touch it
> anymore.
>
> 2016-04-09 10:39 GMT+01:00 Mihovil Stanić <[hidden email]>:
>
>> I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
>> remove just ours (HR).
>> But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to remove
>> it for everyone?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Mihovil
>>
>> 08.04.2016 u 10:07, Kruno je napisao/la:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
>>> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting translations
>>> from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated or
>>> wrong and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and
>>> unnecessary.
>>>
>>> (And how helpful translation from 4.3 can be for translating master when
>>> everything from 4.3 already is in master, and we are just being suggested
>>> something we corrected)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kruno
>>>
>>>
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Hello,

I second Kruno.

I really don't think that suggestions from old versions (which were
never approved) are carried onto the newer versions, but I also think
it's hardly justifiable to waste time hunting and carrying them one by
one into the newer branches (not with the typical speed of a heavily
loaded Pootle installation anyway).

Furthermore, just like Kruno wrote, all approved strings are carried
over to the newer branch when that branch gets introduced, so whatever
you lose from your translation, you lose either because the original
string has been changed, or because its identifier has been changed for
some reason, but even then, the original strings will typically show up
as suggestions for the new ones, and regarding the second reason in
particular, that is an infrastructure thing, which should ideally be
resolved by the L10n infra team (or whatever they are called), not the
localizers.

While it's not impossible that some strings might be removed from one
release just to reappear in another one, it's hardly common enough to
justify keeping these old branches indefinitely. On the other hand,
keeping them has some drawbacks as well: it means even more load on
Pootle, and might make an impression that it's worth spending time
updating L10n of these old releases (which it isn't, when the branch is
finalized and no new releases are planned). If you look at our Pootle
homepage (https://translations.documentfoundation.org/projects/), you'll
see that some contributors are still spending their time on 4.3 and 4.4
branches, and for what reason, when these branches are defunct already?
In my strong opinion, time spent on these obsolete branches today is
very much time uselessly wasted. Someone has contributed a change on 4.3
branch as recently as two days ago, and that branch hasn't had a release
for almost a year now. Even if that change was just carried over from
newer branches, it was pretty much pointless waste of time, at least in
my opinion.

All in all, I think these obsolete branches should be removed from
Pootle ASAP, or at the very least made read only.

I would probably even go as far as suggest localization teams to disable
anonymous contributions and any suggestions on all branches but one: the
one on which the team in question actually works and which could later
be morphed into the newer one, when the time comes. This way it would be
easier for incomplete locales to concentrate their effort, instead of
reviewing potentially conflicting suggestions on multiple branches.
Also, this would probably allow to not lose suggestions due to branch
change (although I'm not 100% sure about this).

Regards,
Rimas


2016-04-12 10:13, Kruno wrote:

> On 04/12/2016 05:49 AM, chandrakant dhutadmal wrote:
>> If so, in that case also it would be good to check what translations
>> were done by previous translators.
>
> I sure agree with that but my logic was that older translations get to
> newer versions so they are technically not lost. Translation you find
> 'correct' is included in newer version.
>
> If something is good in 4.4, it's making to 5.1, but if it's not, you
> are still gonna make suggestion that is and so it gets to 5.1.
>
> What's not translated in older, it's not gonna be in newer.
>
> I don't know if Pootle suggesting suggestion from older versions:
> don't know if you can see suggestions that where not approved for 4.4
> when you translating 5.1.
>
> But I do realize that differences in translations for different
> versions can be helpful (for comparing and such) and I'm not trying to
> argue that.
>
> Kruno
>
>
>>  
>>      On Monday, April 11, 2016 2:22 AM, Sérgio Marques
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>  
>>   Hi Mihovil
>>
>> For Portuguese you can remove 4.x projects for sure. We won´t touch it
>> anymore.
>>
>> 2016-04-09 10:39 GMT+01:00 Mihovil Stanić <[hidden email]>:
>>
>>> I see other languages have same projects also, so not sure if you can
>>> remove just ours (HR).
>>> But since 4.3 / 4.4 / 5.0 aren't used any more I think it's safe to
>>> remove
>>> it for everyone?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Mihovil
>>>
>>> 08.04.2016 u 10:07, Kruno je napisao/la:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
>>>> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting
>>>> translations
>>>> from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated or
>>>> wrong and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and
>>>> unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> (And how helpful translation from 4.3 can be for translating master
>>>> when
>>>> everything from 4.3 already is in master, and we are just being
>>>> suggested
>>>> something we corrected)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Kruno
>>>>
>>>>
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On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Kruno <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting translations
> from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated or wrong
> and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and unnecessary.

I removed Spanish, Portuguese and Croatian from 4.3 and 4.4 projects.

ciao
Christian

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14.04.2016 u 11:47, Christian Lohmaier je napisao/la:

> Hi *,
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Kruno <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
>> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting translations
>> from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated or wrong
>> and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and unnecessary.
> I removed Spanish, Portuguese and Croatian from 4.3 and 4.4 projects.

I noticed, thanks! :D

Kruno


>
> ciao
> Christian
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14.04.2016 u 11:56, Kruno je napisao/la:

>
>
> 14.04.2016 u 11:47, Christian Lohmaier je napisao/la:
>> Hi *,
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Kruno <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder if it's possible to remove old LO versions from Pootle for
>>> Croatian. We still have 4.3 and 4.4 so Pootle is suggesting
>>> translations
>>> from this projects as well but those suggestions are often outdated
>>> or wrong
>>> and seeing them in suggestion filed can be quite confusing and
>>> unnecessary.
>> I removed Spanish, Portuguese and Croatian from 4.3 and 4.4 projects.
>
> I noticed, thanks! :D

Well, I noticed this morning that 4.3 is removed from Croatian and
didn't see that 4.4 UI is still present.

It's not a big deal...

Kruno



>
>
>>
>> ciao
>> Christian
>>
>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Removing old translation projects from Pootle

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Hi Christian,

2016-04-14 12:47, Christian Lohmaier rašė:
> I removed Spanish, Portuguese and Croatian from 4.3 and 4.4 projects.

 can you share the rationale for leaving these projects in Pootle at all?

Rimas


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Removing old translation projects from Pootle

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Rimas Kudelis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi Christian,
>
> 2016-04-14 12:47, Christian Lohmaier rašė:
>> I removed Spanish, Portuguese and Croatian from 4.3 and 4.4 projects.
>
>  can you share the rationale for leaving these projects in Pootle at all?

people might wan to use them as reference..

ciao
Christian

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Removing old translation projects from Pootle - zh_CN

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Hi,

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 3:38 AM, 锁琨珑 <[hidden email]> wrote:
> And please also remove 4.x and 5.0 for
>       Simplified Chinese (zh_CN). Thanks.Kevin Suo

Kept 5.0, as for that there is still 5.0.6 upcomping, removed from 4.3 and 4.4

ciao
Christian

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