[libreoffice-l10n] Spellchecking language names showing up as ISO code

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[libreoffice-l10n] Spellchecking language names showing up as ISO code

I'm helping out with two new spell checkers and we're almost there, but
there's one thing I can't figure. The .oxt installs and I can select the
language and the spellchecker words as expected. But when I select the
language for the paragraph, the show up as the respective ISO codes ktz
(expecting Juǀ’hoan) and nhr (expecting Naro). Does LO pull the language
names from the spellchecker files or is there something I'm missing?

Michael

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Hi Michael,

On Thursday, 2018-05-03 17:24:22 +0100, Michael Bauer wrote:

> I'm helping out with two new spell checkers and we're almost there, but
> there's one thing I can't figure. The .oxt installs and I can select the
> language and the spellchecker words as expected. But when I select the
> language for the paragraph, the show up as the respective ISO codes ktz
> (expecting Juǀ’hoan) and nhr (expecting Naro). Does LO pull the language
> names from the spellchecker files or is there something I'm missing?

Display names need to be added to the language list. There's no
mechanism yet to pull names dynamically from "somewhere". I guess we
could do that by means of ICU, which provides display names for locales.

I can add Juǀ’hoan [ktz-NA] (https://www.ethnologue.com/language/ktz btw
lists it as Ju|’hoansi and https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/ktz gives
several names, with Juǀ'hoansi as latest addition) and Naro [nhr-BW]

  Eike

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Hi,

On Tuesday, 2018-05-08 11:30:18 +0200, Eike Rathke wrote:

> I can add Juǀ’hoan [ktz-NA] (https://www.ethnologue.com/language/ktz btw
> lists it as Ju|’hoansi and https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/ktz gives
> several names, with Juǀ'hoansi as latest addition) and Naro [nhr-BW]

I usually prefer to go with the name given in Ethnologue as "official"
English name so that would be Ju|’hoansi (also note the slight
difference | vs ǀ confusing stuff). Any objections?

  Eike

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Hi,

On Tuesday, 2018-05-08 12:15:05 +0200, Eike Rathke wrote:

> > I can add Juǀ’hoan [ktz-NA] (https://www.ethnologue.com/language/ktz btw
> > lists it as Ju|’hoansi and https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/ktz gives
> > several names, with Juǀ'hoansi as latest addition) and Naro [nhr-BW]
>
> I usually prefer to go with the name given in Ethnologue as "official"
> English name so that would be Ju|’hoansi (also note the slight
> difference | vs ǀ confusing stuff). Any objections?

And done with
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6b2fa7792a8e4feafb6920f0b289bf2c525d14e5

  Eike

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Hi Eike

Sorry for the late reply, yesterday turned a bit crazy.

Right so both technically are wrong, Ju|'hoan means person and -si is a
plural ending, the language is called Juǀ'hoan(si) kokxui "language of
the people" in full but when referring to in English, native speakers
prefer just the label Juǀ'hoan and this is indeed what the Literacy
Project has been using as their preferred English term for the language.
I think it would be good sticking with that, seeing they will be the
primary users.

Also, could you change the pipe character to ǀ (U+01C0)? They look
similar on screen but it's the wrong character.

Other than that, many many thanks for your help!

Michael

Sgrìobh Eike Rathke na leanas 08/05/2018 aig 19:03:

> Hi,
>
> On Tuesday, 2018-05-08 12:15:05 +0200, Eike Rathke wrote:
>
>>> I can add Juǀ’hoan [ktz-NA] (https://www.ethnologue.com/language/ktz btw
>>> lists it as Ju|’hoansi and https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/ktz gives
>>> several names, with Juǀ'hoansi as latest addition) and Naro [nhr-BW]
>> I usually prefer to go with the name given in Ethnologue as "official"
>> English name so that would be Ju|’hoansi (also note the slight
>> difference | vs ǀ confusing stuff). Any objections?
> And done with
> https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=6b2fa7792a8e4feafb6920f0b289bf2c525d14e5
>
>    Eike
>

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Hi Michael,

On Wednesday, 2018-05-09 09:50:28 +0100, Michael Bauer wrote:

> Right so both technically are wrong, Ju|'hoan means person and -si is a
> plural ending, the language is called Juǀ'hoan(si) kokxui "language of the
> people" in full but when referring to in English, native speakers prefer
> just the label Juǀ'hoan and this is indeed what the Literacy Project has
> been using as their preferred English term for the language. I think it
> would be good sticking with that, seeing they will be the primary users.

I'll change to Juǀ'hoan then.

> Also, could you change the pipe character to ǀ (U+01C0)? They look similar
> on screen but it's the wrong character.

I copy-pasted that from https://www.ethnologue.com/language/ktz
I'll use U+01C0

  Eike

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Hi,

On Wednesday, 2018-05-09 12:18:06 +0200, Eike Rathke wrote:

> > just the label Juǀ'hoan
> I'll change to Juǀ'hoan then.

Wait, now you wrote it with a straight ' apostrophe instead of ’ U+2019
... ;-)
Using Juǀ’hoan instead.

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Hi Eike
> I copy-pasted that fromhttps://www.ethnologue.com/language/ktz
> I'll use U+01C0
Thanks. Yeah, Ethnologue... it's neat (to have), but not tidy, probably
the best way I can put it. They have (or at least had) rather opaque
processes, pulling data from I-don't-know-where and once it's there,
reviewing it seems to be almost impossible. I was one of many trying in
vain to get an error fixed years ago (they had listed a province name as
a dialect of Basque) and nothing since has convinced me they're too
worried about the fine detail or fixing stuff, no matter how good your
credentials or the references you provide.

> Wait, now you wrote it with a straight ' apostrophe instead of ’ U+2019
> ... ;-)
> Using Juǀ’hoan instead.
My bad, too many keyboard layouts in use :)

Many thanks!

Michael


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