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Hi,

I got a report that

https://help.libreoffice.org/Main_Page

is not translated - which is true.  In order to be translated to your
language (one of CA, CS, DA, DE, ES, FR, HU, IT, JA, KO, NL, PL, PT,
PT-BR, RU, SL, SV, VI, ZH-CN, ZH-TW), I'd like to ask you for the
translation of its source, that is of

https://help.libreoffice.org/WikiAction/edit/Main_Page

If you can do it, please send it to me as a reply to this mail - I do
not want to do Wikihelp editable, as all the pages except the Main_Page
are still just generated from the LibreOffice Help, and it might lead to
confusion.

Thank you a lot,
Kendy


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Hi Jan. This would be the Spanish translation:

{{OrigLang|Bienvenido/a a la ayuda de {{ProductName}}}}
<div id="mf-page" title="Welcome">
Le damos las gracias por utilizar la ayuda de las aplicaciones de
[http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ {{ProductName}}]. Oprima
F1 siempre que necesite ayuda con el uso del software {{ProductName}},
y será redirigido a este sitio.  Alternativamente, puede instalar una
versión de la ayuda que no necesita conexión, en su idioma natal.

Si solo quiere examinar la ayuda, estos puntos de partida le
facilitarán la navegación:

* [[Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help/es|{{ProductName}} Writer]]
(procesamiento de texto)
* [[Calc/Welcome_to_the_Calc_Help/es|{{ProductName}} Calc]] (hojas de cálculo)
* [[Impress/Welcome_to_the_Impress_Help/es|{{ProductName}} Impress]]
(presentaciones)
* [[Draw/Welcome_to_the_Draw_Help/es|{{ProductName}} Draw]] (dibujos)
* [[Common/Database_1/es|{{ProductName}} Base]] (procesamiento de
bases de datos)
* [[Math/Welcome_to_the_Math_Help/es|{{ProductName}} Math]] (edición
de fórmulas)
* [[Basic/Basic_Help/es|{{ProductName}} Basic]] (programación con el
lenguaje Basic)

== Cómo participar ==

En estos momentos, todavía estamos haciendo algunos ajustes a las
herramientas que convierten la ayuda sin conexión a esta versión en
línea. Posteriormente, será capaz de participar y mejorar las páginas
de ayuda.  Los planes están descritos en
[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp el wiki de
The Document Foundation].

Consulte la [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents Guía del
usuario] para información sobre el uso del software wiki.
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Martin Srebotnjak Martin Srebotnjak
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Jan, I will send the translation.

But I strongly oppose that anyone will be able to edit help pages via
wiki, this was you idea years ago and most translation communities
oppose it and please stop writing that!

Thanks,
m.

2013/1/15 Jan Holesovsky <[hidden email]>:

> Hi,
>
> I got a report that
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/Main_Page
>
> is not translated - which is true.  In order to be translated to your
> language (one of CA, CS, DA, DE, ES, FR, HU, IT, JA, KO, NL, PL, PT,
> PT-BR, RU, SL, SV, VI, ZH-CN, ZH-TW), I'd like to ask you for the
> translation of its source, that is of
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/WikiAction/edit/Main_Page
>
> If you can do it, please send it to me as a reply to this mail - I do
> not want to do Wikihelp editable, as all the pages except the Main_Page
> are still just generated from the LibreOffice Help, and it might lead to
> confusion.
>
> Thank you a lot,
> Kendy
>
>
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Martin Srebotnjak Martin Srebotnjak
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Hi, here is the Slovenian (sl) translation and customization of this page:

{{OrigLang|Dobrodošli v Pomoči {{ProductName}}!}}
<div id="mf-page" title="Dobrodošli">
Hvala, ker uporabljate pomoč za paket
[http://sl.libreoffice.org/prenosi/ {{ProductName}}]. Pritisnite F1,
kadar koli potrebujete pomoč ob uporabi programja {{ProductName}}, in
preusmerjeni boste na to stran. Poleg tega lahko namestite tudi
celotno vsebino pomoči v svojem jeziku na svoj računalnik.

Če želite zgolj brskati po pomoči, lahko uporabite naslednje vstopne
točke za enostavnejše krmarjenje:

* [[Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help/sl|{{ProductName}} Writer]]
(urejanje besedil)
* [[Calc/Welcome_to_the_Calc_Help/sl|{{ProductName}} Calc]] (preglednice)
* [[Impress/Welcome_to_the_Impress_Help/sl|{{ProductName}} Impress]]
(predstavitve)
* [[Draw/Welcome_to_the_Draw_Help/sl|{{ProductName}} Draw]] (risanje)
* [[Common/Database_1/sl|{{ProductName}} Base]] (obdelava zbirk podatkov)
* [[Math/Welcome_to_the_Math_Help/sl|{{ProductName}} Math]] (urejanje formul)
* [[Basic/Basic_Help/sl|{{ProductName}} Basic]] (programiranje v jeziku Basic)

== Kako lahko sodelujete ==

Trenutno še vedno izpopolnjujemo orodja, ki pretvorijo pomoč programa
v spletno obliko.

Če želite sodelovati pri prevajanju gradiv za LibreOffice iz
angleščine v slovenščino, stopite v stik z
[http://sl.libreoffice.org/slovenjenje-2/ ekipo slovenjenja
LibreOffice]. Veseli bomo vaše pomoči!

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Hi all,
On 15/01/2013 21:00, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:
> Jan, I will send the translation.
>
> But I strongly oppose that anyone will be able to edit help pages via
> wiki, this was you idea years ago and most translation communities
> oppose it and please stop writing that!

I second your position, for FR we still need it in the product (because
of the French law) and I wouldn't like to have online and offline help
files to be different.

Kind regards
Sophie


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Hi,

following you have CA (Catalan) translation

Best regards,
Joan Montané


{{OrigLang|Us donem la benviguda a l'ajuda del {{ProductName}}!}}
<div id="mf-page" title="Ús donem la benvinguda">
Gràcies per usar l'aplicació d'ajuda del [
http://ca.documentfoundation.org/baixada/ {{ProductName}}]. Premeu F1  a
qualsevol punt on necessiteu ajuda en l'ús del {{ProductName}}, i sereu
redirigit a aquest lloc.  Alternativament, podeu instal·lar una versió fora
de línia de l'ajuda en la vostra llengua.

Si només voleu explorar l'ajuda, useu els punts d'entrada següents per a
una navegació més fàcil:

* [[Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help/ca|{{ProductName}} Writer]]
(documents de text)
* [[Calc/Welcome_to_the_Calc_Help/ca|{{ProductName}} Calc]] (fulls de
càlcul)
* [[Impress/Welcome_to_the_Impress_Help/ca|{{ProductName}} Impress]]
(presentacions)
* [[Draw/Welcome_to_the_Draw_Help/ca|{{ProductName}} Draw]] (dibuixos)
* [[Common/Database_1/ca|{{ProductName}} Base]] (bases de dades)
* [[Math/Welcome_to_the_Math_Help/ca|{{ProductName}} Math]] (edició de
fórmules)
* [[Basic/Basic_Help/ca|{{ProductName}} Basic]] (programació usant el
llenguatge Basic)

== Com participar-hi ==

Actualment, encara estem ajustant les eines de conversió de l'ajuda en
format fora de línia al format en línia. Posteriorment, podreu participar i
millorar les pàgines d'ajuda.  La planificació es descriu a [
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp wiki de The
Document Foundation] (en anglès).

Consulteu la [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents/ca Guia
d'usuari] per a informació sobre l'ús del programari wiki.
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Gabor Kelemen-2 Gabor Kelemen-2
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Hi

Hungarian is here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/hlo-hu.txt

Regards
Gabor Kelemen

2013-01-15 20:27 keltezéssel, Jan Holesovsky írta:

> Hi,
>
> I got a report that
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/Main_Page
>
> is not translated - which is true.  In order to be translated to your
> language (one of CA, CS, DA, DE, ES, FR, HU, IT, JA, KO, NL, PL, PT,
> PT-BR, RU, SL, SV, VI, ZH-CN, ZH-TW), I'd like to ask you for the
> translation of its source, that is of
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/WikiAction/edit/Main_Page
>
> If you can do it, please send it to me as a reply to this mail - I do
> not want to do Wikihelp editable, as all the pages except the Main_Page
> are still just generated from the LibreOffice Help, and it might lead to
> confusion.
>
> Thank you a lot,
> Kendy
>
>


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Hi Martin,

Martin Srebotnjak píše v Út 15. 01. 2013 v 21:00 +0100:

> Jan, I will send the translation.

Thank you! :-)

> But I strongly oppose that anyone will be able to edit help pages via
> wiki, this was you idea years ago and most translation communities
> oppose it and please stop writing that!

The deal that anything that would make the wikihelp editable will affect
translators in no negative way is still in place of course - don't
worry.  Even if we manage to do the Wikihelp editable one day, it will
be only the English source, and the rest will go through Pootle, with
everything converted etc.

Please consider the documentation writers too - the current way of
writing Help is unbearable for everybody who attempts that.

Either way, the only (very slowly) ongoing work now is to split the
Extended Tooltips (the <ahelp> pieces in the Help) from the Help itself
for performance reasons [but it would help the above too], so nothing to
really panic about.

I hope this clears your concerns.

All the best,
Kendy


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Hi, Jan,

no, your writing does not console me, I am afraid of solo actions of
documentation writers that might make changes that are not in favor of
the product (although some writer is personally enthusiastic about
them, just like you are about making English help editable in wiki).

If you imagine - copy pasting or moving some page here and there in
the wiki structure or changing wording here and there is an easy job
in the wiki, but for translators this could mean many empty strings in
Pootle of something that has been already almost fully translated. We
will be working like mad because of such small changes. Translated
help will never be 100% localized. LibreOffice will not be up to the
norms for adoption of software in government and civic institutions.

So I think it is great that it is currently hard to change help - a
technical writer must really be precise in the change she wants - and
this leads also to a very "localized" change also for localizers.
Also, help system is not so bad that it would need a total revamp. And
being translated in so many languages it would generate 100x the work
of a single writer's change.

So I will remain upset even though I do not want to. Changing the
concept of help is not just a question of help writers/editors and
Kendy, who developed the po<->wiki translation system, but it is a
joint question to be discussed and decided with the l10n community.

But it seems you do not want to talk about it with the l10n people.
Shouldn't such a change be discussed in the boards of TDF as it
affects so many language teams?

Lp, m.

2013/1/15 Jan Holesovsky <[hidden email]>:

> nk you! :-)
>
>> But I strongly oppose that anyone will be able to edit help pages via
>> wiki, this was you idea years ago and most translation communities
>> oppose it and please stop writing that!
>
> The deal that anything that would make the wikihelp editable will affect
> translators in no negative way is still in place of course - don't
> worry.  Even if we manage to do the Wikihelp editable one day, it will
> be only the English source, and the rest will go through Pootle, with
> everything converted etc.
>
> Please consider the documentation writers too - the current way of
> writing Help is unbearable for everybody who attempts that.
>
> Either way, the only (very slowly) ongoing work now is to split the
> Extended Tooltips (the <ahelp> pieces in the Help) from the Help itself
> for performance reasons [but it would help the above too], so nothing to
> really panic about.

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On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:55 PM, Martin Srebotnjak <[hidden email]>wrote:

>
> If you imagine - copy pasting or moving some page here and there in
> the wiki structure or changing wording here and there is an easy job
> in the wiki, but for translators this could mean many empty strings in
> Pootle of something that has been already almost fully translated.
>

That's just pootle/translate being  lame. Any sane translation tool is able
to cope with the simple changes like moved sentences and simple one or two
word edits. And the better ones use things like tokenizers (lucene) and
sentence level segmentation to get things right even on bigger changes. But
I agree that until someone puts some effort into pootle in this regard,
it's better not to attempt it.

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Hi Martin,

I am not sure what has upset you that much - are you going to FOSDEM by
chance?  Would be great to talk face to face.  Please read more inline:

Martin Srebotnjak píše v Út 15. 01. 2013 v 22:55 +0100:

> no, your writing does not console me, I am afraid of solo actions of
> documentation writers that might make changes that are not in favor of
> the product (although some writer is personally enthusiastic about
> them, just like you are about making English help editable in wiki).
>
> If you imagine - copy pasting or moving some page here and there in
> the wiki structure or changing wording here and there is an easy job
> in the wiki, but for translators this could mean many empty strings in
> Pootle of something that has been already almost fully translated. We
> will be working like mad because of such small changes. Translated
> help will never be 100% localized. LibreOffice will not be up to the
> norms for adoption of software in government and civic institutions.

In case we change the help to wiki as the source [NOTE: if at all; at
some stage; nobody is working on this if I'm not mistaken], there is of
course a trivial solution for this - work closely with the
documentation/help authors; forget about 'we' and 'they' and the 1st
time somebody does something bad just work with him/her to revert/fix
that.

Of course, some additional technical solutions, like detection of moves,
fuzzy translations, re-generating translations nightly to check for
changes that are too aggressive & revert in the wiki, etc. etc. might
help too - there is no need to fear of changes in advance.

And - even as a wiki, the help can have a release cycle as the current
help has, aligned with the product release, in order to be able to
achieve 100% translation.

> So I think it is great that it is currently hard to change help - a
> technical writer must really be precise in the change she wants - and
> this leads also to a very "localized" change also for localizers.
> Also, help system is not so bad that it would need a total revamp. And
> being translated in so many languages it would generate 100x the work
> of a single writer's change.

No, there is nothing great about being hard to change help.  Our help
sucks in the current form, and I am talking content - there is so many
useless pages there that we have to translate to our languages (yes, I
am translating too).

And of course, if anybody wanted, it is much easier to create nightmares
with the current help source than it would potentially be with wiki as
the source.

> So I will remain upset even though I do not want to.

I don't understand why.

> Changing the
> concept of help is not just a question of help writers/editors and
> Kendy, who developed the po<->wiki translation system, but it is a
> joint question to be discussed and decided with the l10n community.

Sure, completely agree with this.  I just have to add that blocking
changes without understanding is as unacceptable as changing something
without discussions.

> But it seems you do not want to talk about it with the l10n people.

I do not understand why do you have this feeling; of course I do want to
talk to you - but it is hard when you start shouting whenever I only
mention wikihelp ;-)

BTW, with 2423 translations, I hope could be considered a l10n guy
myself these days, couldn't I?

> Shouldn't such a change be discussed in the boards of TDF as it
> affects so many language teams?

Technical Steering Committee is more proper I guess; but before that I
think it will be best if we two understand each other as the first
thing.

Regards,
Kendy


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Hi Kendy

Here is the pt-BR translation:

- ---------%<--------------------

{{OrigLang|Bem-vindo à ajuda do {{ProductName}}!}}
<div id="mf-page" title="Welcome">
Obrigado por usar a ajuda on-line do
[http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ {{ProductName}}]. Pressione
F1 assim quando precisar de ajuda na utilização do {{ProductName}} e
você será redirecionado para a página correspondente deste site. Você
também pode baixar e instalar o pacote de ajuda no seu idioma e
instalá-lo no seu computador.

Se desejar somente navegar pela Ajuda, utilize uma das entradas para
facilitar a navegação:

* [[Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help|{{ProductName}} Writer]] (editor
de textos)
* [[Calc/Welcome_to_the_Calc_Help|{{ProductName}} Calc]] (planilhas)
* [[Impress/Welcome_to_the_Impress_Help|{{ProductName}} Impress]]
(apresentações)
* [[Draw/Welcome_to_the_Draw_Help|{{ProductName}} Draw]] (desenhos)
* [[Common/Database_1|{{ProductName}} Base]] (banco de dados)
* [[Math/Welcome_to_the_Math_Help|{{ProductName}} Math]] (editor de
fórmulas científicas)
* [[Basic/Basic_Help|{{ProductName}} Basic]] (programação usando a
linguagem Basic)

== Como participar ==

No momento, estamos ajustando as ferramentas para converter a ajuda
off-line no formato on-line. Mais tarde, será possível participar e
melhorar as páginas da Ajuda. O planejamento está detalhado em
[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp Wiki da The
Document Foundation].

Consulte o [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents Guia do
usuário] para informações sobre a utilização do software Wiki.
</div>


- ---------%<--------------------


Thank you for taking care of it.

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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translations of the help.libreoffice.org main page

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Hi

I've translated the text to Swedish (sv), but want to raise a question
before i submit the translation. Under the section How to Participate we
do not say anything about how translation or creation of the help files
are done today. I would propose to write something like:
**
At the moment the help files are being translated together with the rest
of {{ProductName}}. For more information on how translation works visit
[https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translating_LibreOffice Translating
{{ProductName}}].
**
As you've already mentioned creation of new help files is a bit of a
hassle so I don't know if we want to mention that at the moment and if
we do I do not know how we should do it.

We later link to the page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp. Is the
information on that page still valid? In that case could we update the
heading Future Plans (3.4) on that page, at least to me it sounds like
the future plans for version LibreOffice 3.4 which isn't so much in the
future anymore.

Regards,
Niklas Johansson

Jan Holesovsky skrev 2013-01-15 20:27:

> Hi,
>
> I got a report that
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/Main_Page
>
> is not translated - which is true.  In order to be translated to your
> language (one of CA, CS, DA, DE, ES, FR, HU, IT, JA, KO, NL, PL, PT,
> PT-BR, RU, SL, SV, VI, ZH-CN, ZH-TW), I'd like to ask you for the
> translation of its source, that is of
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/WikiAction/edit/Main_Page
>
> If you can do it, please send it to me as a reply to this mail - I do
> not want to do Wikihelp editable, as all the pages except the Main_Page
> are still just generated from the LibreOffice Help, and it might lead to
> confusion.
>
> Thank you a lot,
> Kendy
>
>


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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translations of the help.libreoffice.org main page

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Hi,

Here is a Japanese translation by Mr. Yusuke Arai.
Thanks, Arai-san!


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{{OrigLang|{{ProductName}} ヘルプへようこそ!}}
<div id="mf-page" title="Welcome">
[http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ {{ProductName}}]
LibreOfficeのヘルプを使ってくれてありがとうございます。{{ProductName}} を使っているとき必要になったら F1
キーを押すとヘルプが表示され、このサイトに転送されます。あなたのお使いの言語のオフラインバージョンのヘルプをインストールすることもできます。

もし、ヘルプだけを閲覧したいのであれば、以下の入り口を使えば簡単に閲覧することができます:

* [[Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help|{{ProductName}} Writer]] (文書作成)
* [[Calc/Welcome_to_the_Calc_Help|{{ProductName}} Calc]] (表計算)
* [[Impress/Welcome_to_the_Impress_Help|{{ProductName}} Impress]] (プレゼンテーション)
* [[Draw/Welcome_to_the_Draw_Help|{{ProductName}} Draw]] (図形作成)
* [[Common/Database_1|{{ProductName}} Base]] (データベース)
* [[Math/Welcome_to_the_Math_Help|{{ProductName}} Math]] (数式)
* [[Basic/Basic_Help|{{ProductName}} Basic]] (ベーシック言語を使ったプログラミング)

== 参加するには ==

今のところ、オフラインヘルプをオンラインヘルプに変換するツールはチューニング中です。そのツールができたら、ヘルプページを改良する作業に参加することができるようになるでしょう。計画については
[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp The Document
Foundation の wiki (英語)] に記載されています。

Wiki ソフトウェアの使い方については[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents
ユーザーズガイド]を参照してください。

</div>
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2013/1/15 Jan Holesovsky <[hidden email]>

>
> If you can do it, please send it to me as a reply to this mail - I do
> not want to do Wikihelp editable, as all the pages except the Main_Page
> are still just generated from the LibreOffice Help, and it might lead to
> confusion.
>

Hi Jan,

This is the PT translation:

{{OrigLang|Bem-vindo à ajuda do {{ProductName}}!}}
<div id="mf-page" title="Welcome">
Obrigado por utilizar a ajuda web do [
http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ {{ProductName}}]. Sempre que
precisar de ajuda na utilização do {{ProductName}}, prima F1 que será
reencaminhado para este sítio. Em alternativa, pode transferir e instalar a
versão local da ajuda.

Se quiser explorar a ajuda, utilize um dos itens abaixo:

* [[Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help|{{ProductName}} Writer]]
(processamento de texto)
* [[Calc/Welcome_to_the_Calc_Help|{{ProductName}} Calc]] (folhas de cálculo)
* [[Impress/Welcome_to_the_Impress_Help|{{ProductName}} Impress]]
(apresentações)
* [[Draw/Welcome_to_the_Draw_Help|{{ProductName}} Draw]] (desenhos)
* [[Common/Database_1|{{ProductName}} Base]] (bases de dados)
* [[Math/Welcome_to_the_Math_Help|{{ProductName}} Math]] (edição de
fórmulas)
* [[Basic/Basic_Help|{{ProductName}} Basic]] (programação na linguagem
Basic)

== Como participar ==

De momento, estamos a melhorar as ferramentas de conversão da ajuda local
para a ajuda web. Posteriormente, poderá ajudar a melhorar as páginas de
ajuda. O nosso planeamento está descrito no [
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp wiki da The
Document Foundation].

Consulte o [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents guia de
utilizador] para mais informações.
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Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Translations of the help.libreoffice.org main page

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Jan Holesovsky wrote (15-01-13 20:27)

> https://help.libreoffice.org/Main_Page

NL:


{{OrigLang|Welcome to {{ProductName}} Help!}}
<div id="mf-page" title="Welcome">
Dank u wel voor het gebruiken van de
[http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ {{ProductName}}] help.
Toets F1 wanneer u maar hulp nodig heeft bij het gebruiken van de
{{ProductName}} software, en u zal doorgestuurd worden naar deze
website. Het is ook mogelijk om een on-line versie van de Help in uw
eigen taal op de computer te installeren.

Als u alleen door de helpt wilt bladeren, gebruik dan de volgende
ingangen om makkelijk te navigeren:

* [[Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help|{{ProductName}} Writer]]
(tekstverwerking)
* [[Calc/Welcome_to_the_Calc_Help|{{ProductName}} Calc]] (werkbladen)
* [[Impress/Welcome_to_the_Impress_Help|{{ProductName}} Impress]]
(presentaties)
* [[Draw/Welcome_to_the_Draw_Help|{{ProductName}} Draw]] (tekenen)
* [[Common/Database_1|{{ProductName}} Base]] (databases)
* [[Math/Welcome_to_the_Math_Help|{{ProductName}} Math]] (formule editer)
* [[Basic/Basic_Help|{{ProductName}} Basic]] (programmeren met de Basic
taal)

== Hoe te helpen ==

Op dit moment verbeteren we nog de hulpmiddelen om de off-line help om
te zetten naar de vorm on-line.  Op een later moment kunt u ook
bijdragen aan het verbeteren van de Help-pagina's. De plannen worden
uitgelegd in [http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp de
wiki van The Document Foundation].

Raadpleeg de [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents 
Gebruikershandleiding ] voor informatie over het gebruik van wiki software.
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El 15 de gener de 2013 22.18, Joan Montané <[hidden email]> ha escrit:

> Hi,
>
> following you have CA (Catalan) translation
>
> Best regards,
> Joan Montané
>
>
> {{OrigLang|Us donem la benviguda a l'ajuda del {{ProductName}}!}}
> <div id="mf-page" title="Ús donem la benvinguda">
>

Please, fix a typo. Replace this line by the following one in Catalan
translation.

<div id="mf-page" title="Us donem la benvinguda">

So, "Ús donem" -> "Us donem", thanks.

Best regards,
Joan Montané

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2013/1/15 Jan Holesovsky <[hidden email]>

> Hi,
>
> I got a report that
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/Main_Page
>
> is not translated - which is true.  In order to be translated to your
> language (one of CA, CS, DA, DE, ES, FR, HU, IT, JA, KO, NL, PL, PT,
> PT-BR, RU, SL, SV, VI, ZH-CN, ZH-TW), I'd like to ask you for the
> translation of its source, that is of
>
> https://help.libreoffice.org/WikiAction/edit/Main_Page
>
> If you can do it, please send it to me as a reply to this mail - I do
> not want to do Wikihelp editable, as all the pages except the Main_Page
> are still just generated from the LibreOffice Help, and it might lead to
> confusion.
>
> Thank you a lot,
> Kendy
>
>
> --
>


Hi Jan

One question. Should <div id="mf-page" title="Welcome"> be translated?

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The Swedish (sv) translation.

{{OrigLang|Välkommen till {{ProductName}} Hjälp!}}
<div id="mf-page" title="Välkommen">
Tack för att du använder
[https://sv.libreoffice.org/ladda-ner-libreoffice/ {{ProductName}}]
programhjälp. När du behöver hjälp i {{ProductName}} trycker du på
tangenten F1 för att komma till denna sida. Du kan även installera
{{ProductName}} inbyggda hjälp så finns hjälpfilerna tillgängliga offline.

Om du bara vill bläddra igenom hjälpen så kan du använda följande
utgångspunkter för att enklare hitta områden du är intresserad av:

* [[Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help/sv|{{ProductName}} Writer]]
(textdokument)
* [[Calc/Welcome_to_the_Calc_Help/sv|{{ProductName}} Calc]] (kalkylblad)
* [[Impress/Welcome_to_the_Impress_Help/sv|{{ProductName}} Impress]]
(presentationer)
* [[Draw/Welcome_to_the_Draw_Help/sv|{{ProductName}} Draw]] (teckning)
* [[Common/Database_1/sv|{{ProductName}} Base]] (databashantering)
* [[Math/Welcome_to_the_Math_Help/sv|{{ProductName}} Math]] (formler)
* [[Basic/Basic_Help/sv|{{ProductName}} Basic]] (programmering med Basic)

== Hur man hjälper till ==

För tillfället finslipas verktygen för att konvertera hjälpfilerna från
offlineform till onlineform. I ett senare skede, är planen att man
enklare ska kunna hjälpa till att förbättra hjälpfilerna. Planen är
beskriven på sidan
[http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp The Document
Foundation wiki].

Konsultera [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents User's Guide]
för mer information om hur man använder wikiprogrammet.
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Hi all,
The Russian translation:

{{OrigLang|Добро пожаловать в справочное руководство {{ProductName}}!}}
<div id="mf-page" title="Добро пожаловать">
Благодарим за использование справки
[http://www.documentfoundation.org/download/ {{ProductName}}]. Нажатие
F1 в {{ProductName}} всякий раз, когда потребуется помощь, будет
приводить вас на этот сайт. Вместо этого можно установить
оффлайн-версию справочного руководства на родном языке.

Для просмотра справочного руководства воспользуйтесь следующими ссылками:

* [[Writer/Welcome_to_the_Writer_Help/ru|{{ProductName}} Writer]]
(текстовые документы)
* [[Calc/Welcome_to_the_Calc_Help/ru|{{ProductName}} Calc]]
(электронные таблицы)
* [[Impress/Welcome_to_the_Impress_Help/ru|{{ProductName}} Impress]]
(презентации)
* [[Draw/Welcome_to_the_Draw_Help/ru|{{ProductName}} Draw]] (рисунки)
* [[Common/Database_1/ru|{{ProductName}} Base]] (базы данных)
* [[Math/Welcome_to_the_Math_Help/ru|{{ProductName}} Math]] (формулы)
* [[Basic/Basic_Help/ru|{{ProductName}} Basic]] (программирование на
языке Basic)

== Как принять участие ==

Мы всё ещё настраиваем инструмент преобразования оффлайн-версии
справки в онлайн-форму. Возможность принять участие в улучшении
справочного руководства будет добавлена позже. Наши планы приведены на
странице [http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Wikihelp The
Document Foundation wiki].

Информацию об использовании вики смотрите на странице
[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents User's Guide].
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