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Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as a
default?
If so, how?
Using version 4.1.
Thanx--doug

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Doug wrote:
> Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as
> a default?
> If so, how?
> Using version 4.1.
> Thanx--doug
>

Yes, click on Tools>Options>Load/Save>General and make your selection there.


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Hi :)
Yes there is but it's not advisable.  Its better to keep your
originals in ODF and only
File - "Save As ..."
when you really need to.  Otherwise formatting and things can go a bit
wrong.  MS Office 2013 can read ODF.


As James said it's
Tools - Options - "Load/Save" - General
but at the bottom see the 2 drop-downs?  Roll the 2nd one up 1 or 2
places, avoiding the "Templates" option.  Then go back to the first
and change to a different one of the types of documents, eg down to
spreadsheets and then to presentations etc.
Regards from
Tom :)


On 17 January 2014 20:51, James Knott <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Doug wrote:
>> Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as
>> a default?
>> If so, how?
>> Using version 4.1.
>> Thanx--doug
>>
>
> Yes, click on Tools>Options>Load/Save>General and make your selection there.
>
>
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-------- Original Message  -------- From: Tom Davies <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:00:55 +0000

> Hi :)
> Yes there is but it's not advisable.  Its better to keep your
> originals in ODF and only
> File - "Save As ..."
> when you really need to.  Otherwise formatting and things can go a bit
> wrong.  MS Office 2013 can read ODF.

There is also the "MultiFormatSave" extension available:
http://extensions.libreoffice.org/extension-center/multisave-1

<Q>MultiFormatSave enables you to save simultaneously a document in the
OpenDocument, MS Office and/or PDF formats as you choose for Writer,
Calc or Impress.</Q>

Hope this helps.

Dave





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On 01/17/2014 04:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> Yes there is but it's not advisable.  Its better to keep your
> originals in ODF and only
> File - "Save As ..."
> when you really need to.  Otherwise formatting and things can go a bit
> wrong.  MS Office 2013 can read ODF.
>
>
> As James said it's
> Tools - Options - "Load/Save" - General
> but at the bottom see the 2 drop-downs?  Roll the 2nd one up 1 or 2
> places, avoiding the "Templates" option.  Then go back to the first
> and change to a different one of the types of documents, eg down to
> spreadsheets and then to presentations etc.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> On 17 January 2014 20:51, James Knott <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Doug wrote:
>>> Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as
>>> a default?
>>> If so, how?
>>> Using version 4.1.
>>> Thanx--doug
>>>
>> Yes, click on Tools>Options>Load/Save>General and make your selection there.
>>
>>
Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY,
even people who don't have MS Office 2013.  I don't care if I ever see
.odf again!
--doug

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Hi Doug,

I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office.

Peter West

So his fame spread throughout all Syria...

On 18 Jan 2014, at 7:49 am, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 01/17/2014 04:00 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Yes there is but it's not advisable.  Its better to keep your
>> originals in ODF and only
>> File - "Save As ..."
>> when you really need to.  Otherwise formatting and things can go a bit
>> wrong.  MS Office 2013 can read ODF.
>>
>>
>> As James said it's
>> Tools - Options - "Load/Save" - General
>> but at the bottom see the 2 drop-downs?  Roll the 2nd one up 1 or 2
>> places, avoiding the "Templates" option.  Then go back to the first
>> and change to a different one of the types of documents, eg down to
>> spreadsheets and then to presentations etc.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>> On 17 January 2014 20:51, James Knott <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>> Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as
>>>> a default?
>>>> If so, how?
>>>> Using version 4.1.
>>>> Thanx--doug
>>>>
>>> Yes, click on Tools>Options>Load/Save>General and make your selection there.
>>>
>>>
> Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY,
> even people who don't have MS Office 2013.  I don't care if I ever see .odf again!
> --doug
>
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On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote:
> Hi Doug,
>
> I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office.
>
> Peter West
>
> So his fame spread throughout all Syria...
/snip/

I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have thought
so since I was using
WordStar!  But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or not,
the old 1997
.doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one.  LIve with it!

--doug

>
> On 18 Jan 2014, at 7:49 am, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Doug wrote:
>>>>> Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as
>>>>> a default?
>>>>> If so, how?
>>>>> Using version 4.1.
>>>>> Thanx--doug
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, click on Tools>Options>Load/Save>General and make your selection there.
>>>>
>>>>
/snip/
>> Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY,
>> even people who don't have MS Office 2013.  I don't care if I ever see .odf again!
>> --doug
>>

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Doug,

About that standard: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd946767(v=office.12).aspx

How much longer do you think that a lowest common denominator format (97) will be generally used?

Anyway, for the time being it's working, and you have your solution.

Peter West

"Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick..."

On 18 Jan 2014, at 4:15 pm, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote:
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office.
>>
>> Peter West
>>
>> So his fame spread throughout all Syria...
> /snip/
>
> I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have thought so since I was using
> WordStar!  But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or not, the old 1997
> .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one.  LIve with it!
>
> --doug
>>
>> On 18 Jan 2014, at 7:49 am, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>>> Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as
>>>>>> a default?
>>>>>> If so, how?
>>>>>> Using version 4.1.
>>>>>> Thanx--doug
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, click on Tools>Options>Load/Save>General and make your selection there.
>>>>>
>>>>>
> /snip/
>>> Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY,
>>> even people who don't have MS Office 2013.  I don't care if I ever see .odf again!
>>> --doug
>>>


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Hi :)
I ignored the same advice when i first started and for the same reasons.  I
still have a few machines that default to MS formats in LibreOffice.

Things are moving on from there but the older MS format is still the
best one for using when sharing and editing with other people.  It is
no longer the best for longer-term storage but it's going to take
people a long while to realise that.

Regards from
Tom :)







On 18 January 2014 06:51, Peter West <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Doug,
>
> About that standard: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd946767(v=office.12).aspx
>
> How much longer do you think that a lowest common denominator format (97) will be generally used?
>
> Anyway, for the time being it's working, and you have your solution.
>
> Peter West
>
> "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick..."
>
> On 18 Jan 2014, at 4:15 pm, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote:
>>> Hi Doug,
>>>
>>> I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office.
>>>
>>> Peter West
>>>
>>> So his fame spread throughout all Syria...
>> /snip/
>>
>> I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have thought so since I was using
>> WordStar!  But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or not, the old 1997
>> .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one.  LIve with it!
>>
>> --doug
>>>
>>> On 18 Jan 2014, at 7:49 am, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doug wrote:
>>>>>>> Is there a way to make Libre save in MS Word 1997-2003 .doc format as
>>>>>>> a default?
>>>>>>> If so, how?
>>>>>>> Using version 4.1.
>>>>>>> Thanx--doug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, click on Tools>Options>Load/Save>General and make your selection there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> /snip/
>>>> Thanx for the advice, Tom, but MS 1997-2003 .doc is readable by EVERYBODY,
>>>> even people who don't have MS Office 2013.  I don't care if I ever see .odf again!
>>>> --doug
>>>>
>
>
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On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 01:15:26AM -0500, Doug wrote:

> On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote:
> >Hi Doug,
> >
> >I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office.
> >
> >Peter West
> >
> >So his fame spread throughout all Syria...
> /snip/
>
> I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have
> thought so since I was using
> WordStar!  But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or
> not, the old 1997
> .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one.  LIve with it!

The Model T Ford was a standard for a long time. Should people have just
lived with that?

         .........snip.........

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Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello Doug,

>WordStar!  But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or
>not, the old 1997
>.doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one.  LIve with it!

What's the ISO number?

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On 01/18/2014 01:29 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 01:15:26AM -0500, Doug wrote:
>> On 01/17/2014 09:25 PM, Peter West wrote:
>>> Hi Doug,
>>>
>>> I think the best solution to your problem is to buy a copy of Microsoft Office.
>>>
>>> Peter West
>>>
>>> So his fame spread throughout all Syria...
>> /snip/
>>
>> I do not like Microsoft Office. I think it is a PITA, and I have
>> thought so since I was using
>> WordStar!  But a standard is a standard, and whether you like it or
>> not, the old 1997
>> .doc format is that standard, as nearly as there is one.  LIve with it!
> The Model T Ford was a standard for a long time. Should people have just
> lived with that?
>
>           .........snip.........
>
No, the Model T was not a standard, but I think the position of the
brake pedal was.
Since at least the Model A, the positions of the clutch, brake,
accelerator, have become
standard, and the position of the gear-shift was a semi-standard--it's
now back on
the floor, where it had been in model A days, after a few years on the
steering
column. And, with the exception of reverse, the general layout of the
gear positions
on the manual shifter is standard.
Since the Model A, which did not have directional signals, the position
of the
directional signal control has become standard.
So it's not the car, but the implementation of it, just as it's not the
computer, but
the implementation of the file operation--ctrl-U for underline,
etc.--and the
file exchange formats which are more-or-less standard. Yes, there are a
multitude
of standards, each applying to some type of program--.dwg for cad
interchange,
.exe for Windows executables, .pdf for that type of file, and, like it
or not, .doc
for word-processed files.  When or if  Microsoft adopts .odt or .rtf, as
their normal
format or if by some miracle ?Office (Libre or Open) becomes the norm,
then the
standard will change. But not until.

(As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter,  it is
important to me to
use standards which are available and in common use by those with Windows
PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating systems,
and Linux--the latter probably only by me!)

--doug



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On 19 Jan 2014, at 6:12 am, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> (As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter,  it is important to me to
> use standards which are available and in common use by those with Windows
> PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating systems,
> and Linux--the latter probably only by me!)
>
> --doug

So your requirement is, quite literally, read-only.

What's wrong with PDF?
Peter West

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On 01/18/2014 06:32 PM, Peter West wrote:

> On 19 Jan 2014, at 6:12 am, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> (As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter,  it is important to me to
>> use standards which are available and in common use by those with Windows
>> PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating systems,
>> and Linux--the latter probably only by me!)
>>
>> --doug
> So your requirement is, quite literally, read-only.
>
> What's wrong with PDF?
> Peter West
>
Well, not quite: I forward my edited files to the publisher, who
happens to own a Mac with the old Mac Os, so it's not just read,
it's also write. I'm sure he could read pdfs, but his Publisher
program likes .doc files. And I have heard that not all pdfs are
created equal. There have been reports of some problems,
depending on what program generated them.

OTOH, some of the sources are from fairly unsophisticated people,
to whom pdf is probably less familiar than stp (a motor lubricant).
Some of that input comes from .doc files, some from email (!)
And some of it is kinda tricky, no matter what extension it may
have. I have used Libre, TextMaker, and WordPerfect (under
Windows) and even Kate to decode some submissions.
(There is a tendency for blocks of text in some submitted files to
be displaced to the right hand side of the page, such that the right ends
of lines are not available. I have never found out why this happens.
One of the programs mentioned will usually make the file readable
and editable.)

--doug


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PDF is great for printing - that's what it was designed for.  Commercial printers love PDF.

But it sounds as though your publisher is also editing layout.  If there is anything like that happening, forget PDF.

Open submissions will always be a can of worms. But at least (he said with fingers crossed) you don't have round-tripping issues, with files going back and forward between different systems, accumulating edits as they go.

Peter West

"Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick..."

On 19 Jan 2014, at 11:25 am, doug <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 01/18/2014 06:32 PM, Peter West wrote:
>> On 19 Jan 2014, at 6:12 am, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> (As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter,  it is important to me to
>>> use standards which are available and in common use by those with Windows
>>> PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating systems,
>>> and Linux--the latter probably only by me!)
>>>
>>> --doug
>> So your requirement is, quite literally, read-only.
>>
>> What's wrong with PDF?
>> Peter West
>>
> Well, not quite: I forward my edited files to the publisher, who
> happens to own a Mac with the old Mac Os, so it's not just read,
> it's also write. I'm sure he could read pdfs, but his Publisher
> program likes .doc files. And I have heard that not all pdfs are
> created equal. There have been reports of some problems,
> depending on what program generated them.
>
> OTOH, some of the sources are from fairly unsophisticated people,
> to whom pdf is probably less familiar than stp (a motor lubricant).
> Some of that input comes from .doc files, some from email (!)
> And some of it is kinda tricky, no matter what extension it may
> have. I have used Libre, TextMaker, and WordPerfect (under
> Windows) and even Kate to decode some submissions.
> (There is a tendency for blocks of text in some submitted files to
> be displaced to the right hand side of the page, such that the right ends
> of lines are not available. I have never found out why this happens.
> One of the programs mentioned will usually make the file readable
> and editable.)
>
> --doug
>
>
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>
>
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On 01/18/2014 09:38 PM, Peter West wrote:
> PDF is great for printing - that's what it was designed for.  Commercial printers love PDF.
>
> But it sounds as though your publisher is also editing layout.  If there is anything like that happening, forget PDF.

Yes, he is doing the layouts. I only work with text.

--doug
>
> Open submissions will always be a can of worms. But at least (he said with fingers crossed) you don't have round-tripping issues, with files going back and forward between different systems, accumulating edits as they go.
>
> Peter West


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Re: mail format

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On 19/01/2014, doug <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 01/18/2014 06:32 PM, Peter West wrote:
>> On 19 Jan 2014, at 6:12 am, Doug <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> (As an editor of a small (~1000 circulation) newsletter,  it is important
>>> to me to
>>> use standards which are available and in common use by those with
>>> Windows
>>> PCs, Apple computers with either of two quite different operating
>>> systems,
>>> and Linux--the latter probably only by me!)
>>>

That standard is odf; you should make a proposal within your group to
use odt as your editing file format. If you are unable to convince
accordingly, you should buy m$o; LO is not a free m$ clone. If others
report problems with the odt standard (they need to report such bugs
to the relevant organisation
(http://www.mail-archive.com/users@.../msg36224.html)

>
> OTOH, some of the sources are from fairly unsophisticated people,
> to whom pdf is probably less familiar than stp (a motor lubricant).
> Some of that input comes from .doc files, some from email (!)

It is not too uncommon for latex collaborators to submit content as
plain text in e-mail, then using version control to collate all input.

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