+ Norbert, Andras, Petr, Kendy, Lionel, Markus, Michael M,
Stephan, Eike, Caolan, Thorsten, Cedric, Astron,
* Pending Action Items
+ Bugzilla attachments not set to autodetect (Bjoern)
+ [ pinging Tollef ]
+ disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M)
+ look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael)
+ helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy)
+ [ still pending ]
+ SLES11 / temporary PTF for the server ? using SP3 toolchain ? (Kendy)
[ pending new packages ]
* Release Engineering update (Petr)
+ 4.0.2 rc1 status
+ builds ready, being up-loaded
+ 4.0.2 rc2 deadline - March 25th
+ 3.6.6 rc1 commit deadline - next Monday (18th)
* UX input (Astron)
+ concern wrt. responding to open-issues on the UX advise list
+ hope to do better next time.
+ colour themes in documents
+ is anyone interested in hacking on this ?
+ requires some level of UI / design work up-front
+ request for new icon:
AI: + re-send details (Lionel)
+ new flat icon theme bits happening here:
* Learning lessons from the template manager story (Cedric)
+ was never included in any release as an experimental feature
+ can we find a way to encourage people to try experimental features ?
+ communication problems around entirely new UI elements (Astron)
+ better testing of new designs needed early in the cycle (Cedric)
+ no need for a formal process, shouldn't be hard to get
testers for nice new features (Bjoern)
AI: + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
+ either in that dialog or a new dialog
+ also issue with only editing templates that are
in the mgr
* use non-versioned installation directory on Windows for 4.0.3? (Petr)
+ see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303 + proposed by Pedro and Stuart
+ this is supposed to solve 'shared extension' migration
problems in the future
+ are there really migration problems (Andras)
+ what happens with upgrades (Lionel)
+ that's the question.
+ shouldn't be migrating shared extensions (Fridrich)
+ might solve one issue but break other things
extensions that crash while loading etc.
+ nothing against using the same name (Stephan)
+ same issue for user-extensions, can blacklist etc.
+ we have two versions - user config directory '4' and
for installations we have 4.0
+ or use just the major version.
+ decided: change the default install directory to
'LibreOffice 4', major version changes require more work.
AI: + will switch to this for 4.1.0 (ie. on master)
* gnumake enabled improvements (Bjoern)
+ killing off delivered headers - they bust LTO
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61627#c3 + prefer to have a top-level folder with all headers in it (Bjoern)
+ disadvantage headers not in modules to which they belong (Michael S)
+ alternative $(srcdir) as an include header ...
can then include any file from anywhere
+ instead have the global headers in one central global directory
AI: + check behaviour of git-cherry-pick
AI: + write up for the mailing list (Bjoern)
+ find out how other big projects:
Mozilla, linux, etc. do this
+ why bother ? (Michael)
+ all to work around Windows performance issues:
copying headers, lots of dmake rules, incapable
of handling lots of -I
+ work needs to be done post 4.0.2 (ie. next month)
+ decided to go ahead absent any mailing-list flameage
* Coverity progress (Markus/Julien/Norbert/Caolan)
+ work ongoing, going well.
* Automated crash on import test results (Markus)
+ still suffering memory corruptions, another reliability
bug elsewhere, nasties ...
* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
+ following up with individuals
+ website ML poked to create page for listing devs
+ turned into a huge thread, not read yet
* Build Hardware (Thorsten)
+ plan to buy a fast Mac / set-it-up & get it running
+ plan to order, get it setup in Munich near Florian
AI: + buy build hardware (Thorsten)
* Hard Hacks:
+ http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks + three open slots still.
+ thanks to Markus for fdo#61025
+ plan to have 2 writer, 1 spread, 1 draw/impress etc.
fdo#40594 - FILEOPEN .docx (MSO2010) does not show CHART object (Michael)
fdo#59932 - FILEOPEN: Text boxes with bulleted lists containing (Muthu)
* QA update (Joel)
+ new status: verified works for me - for use by original reporter
+ investigating netbook bits for QA competition
+ 176 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage.
http://tinyurl.com/a3csc2o (checkout topic in #libreoffice-qa)
+ QA contest coming up with swag / prizes
> * Learning lessons from the template manager story (Cedric)
> + was never included in any release as an experimental feature
> + can we find a way to encourage people to try experimental features ?
> + communication problems around entirely new UI elements (Astron)
> + better testing of new designs needed early in the cycle (Cedric)
I agree that this is just quite hard to achieve. Even when started well
in time: when the process is slow, and substantial changes are done
after some time (all the case here, IIRC), you may run in time problems
> + no need for a formal process, shouldn't be hard to get
> testers for nice new features (Bjoern)
Plus that maybe working with the feature brought as experimental,
reduces the (understandable) temptation to release a feature when the
release date is close, in stead of when it's fine enough.
> AI: + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
> + either in that dialog or a new dialog
> + also issue with only editing templates that are
> in the mgr
Just added a suggestion for the latter to the relevant issue.
Pls don't forget the related issue(s) wrt the menu.