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minutes of ESC call ...

* Present:
        + Norbert, Andras, Petr, Kendy, Lionel, Markus, Michael M,
          Stephan, Eike, Caolan, Thorsten, Cedric, Astron,
          Bjoern, Ahmad

* Pending Action Items
        + Bugzilla attachments not set to autodetect (Bjoern)
                + [ pinging Tollef ]
        + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M)
        + look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael)
        + helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy)
                + [ still pending ]
        + SLES11 / temporary PTF for the server ? using SP3 toolchain ? (Kendy)
                [ pending new packages ]

* Dresden Impress Sprint (Thorsten)
        + if you want to go: book now ! free lodging stops tonight.
        + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/ImpressSprint2013

* Release Engineering update (Petr)
        + 4.0.2 rc1 status
                + builds ready, being up-loaded
        + 4.0.2 rc2 deadline - March 25th
        + 3.6.6 rc1 commit deadline - next Monday (18th)

* UX input (Astron)
        + concern wrt. responding to open-issues on the UX advise list
                + hope to do better next time.
        + colour themes in documents
                + is anyone interested in hacking on this ?
                + requires some level of UI / design work up-front
        + request for new icon:
AI: + re-send details (Lionel)
        + new flat icon theme bits happening here:
                + https://github.com/libodesign/flat-icons

* Learning lessons from the template manager story (Cedric)
        + was never included in any release as an experimental feature
        + can we find a way to encourage people to try experimental features ?
        + communication problems around entirely new UI elements (Astron)
        + better testing of new designs needed early in the cycle (Cedric)
        + no need for a formal process, shouldn't be hard to get
          testers for nice new features (Bjoern)
AI: + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
                + either in that dialog or a new dialog
                + also issue with only editing templates that are
                  in the mgr

* use non-versioned installation directory on Windows for 4.0.3? (Petr)
        + see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303
        + proposed by Pedro and Stuart
        + this is supposed to solve 'shared extension' migration
          problems in the future
                + are there really migration problems (Andras)
                + what happens with upgrades (Lionel)
                        + that's the question.
        + shouldn't be migrating shared extensions (Fridrich)
                + might solve one issue but break other things
                  extensions that crash while loading etc.
        + nothing against using the same name (Stephan)
                + same issue for user-extensions, can blacklist etc.
        + we have two versions - user config directory '4' and
          for installations we have 4.0
                + or use just the major version.
        + decided: change the default install directory to
          'LibreOffice 4', major version changes require more work.
AI: + will switch to this for 4.1.0 (ie. on master)

* gnumake (Michael)
AI: + finally remove the */prj/build.lst files ...

* GSOC ideas page (Cedric)
        Needs updating by 28th Mar.
        https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas

* gnumake enabled improvements (Bjoern)
        + killing off delivered headers - they bust LTO
          https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61627#c3
        + prefer to have a top-level folder with all headers in it (Bjoern)
                + disadvantage headers not in modules to which they belong (Michael S)
                + alternative $(srcdir) as an include header ...
                  can then include any file from anywhere
        + instead have the global headers in one central global directory
AI: + check behaviour of git-cherry-pick
AI: + write up for the mailing list (Bjoern)
                        + find out how other big projects:
                          Mozilla, linux, etc. do this
        + why bother ? (Michael)
                + all to work around Windows performance issues:
                  copying headers, lots of dmake rules, incapable
                  of handling lots of -I
        + work needs to be done post 4.0.2 (ie. next month)
                + decided to go ahead absent any mailing-list flameage

* Coverity progress (Markus/Julien/Norbert/Caolan)
        + work ongoing, going well.

* Automated crash on import test results (Markus)
        + still suffering memory corruptions, another reliability
          bug elsewhere, nasties ...

* Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern)
        + following up with individuals
        + website ML poked to create page for listing devs
                + turned into a huge thread, not read yet

* Build Hardware (Thorsten)
        + plan to buy a fast Mac / set-it-up & get it running
        + plan to order, get it setup in Munich near Florian
AI: + buy build hardware (Thorsten)

* Hard Hacks:
        + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks
                + three open slots still.
        + thanks to Markus for fdo#61025
        + plan to have 2 writer, 1 spread, 1 draw/impress etc.
        fdo#40594 - FILEOPEN .docx (MSO2010) does not show CHART object (Michael)
        fdo#59932 - FILEOPEN: Text boxes with bulleted lists containing (Muthu)

* QA update (Joel)
        + new status: verified works for me - for use by original reporter
        + investigating netbook bits for QA competition
        + 176 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage.
                http://tinyurl.com/a3csc2o
                (checkout topic in #libreoffice-qa)
        + QA contest coming up with swag / prizes

* Open 4.1 MAB / regressions
        + 4 (of 8) older 4/8 2/5 1/2 3/3
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&hide_resolved=1

* Open 4.0 MAB / regressions
        + 19 (of 106) older 17/105 14/99 15/96 16/94 16/91 13/79 17/76 10/69 14/64
             18%             16%    14%   16%   17%   18%   22%   22%   14%   22%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&hide_resolved=1

* 3.6 most annoying bugs ...
        + 77 (of 215) older 77/214 75/211 76/210 57/189 44/175 45/175 43/174 42/173
             36%             36%    36%    36%    30%    25%    25%    25%    24%
        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1

* Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected'
        + 29 (of 78) older 32/79 27/72
        + re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess
** http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q - has the latest query for un-fixed bisected bugs

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
        + 289(+3) bugs open of 1368(+15) total

        * ~Component   count net *
        + Writer       - 96 (+3)
        + LibreOffice  - 28 (+0)
        + Presentation - 28 (-2)
        + Spreadsheet  - 24 (-2)
        + Database     - 23 (-1)
        + Drawing      - 21 (+2)
        + Crashes      - 21 (+2)
        + Borders      - 15 (+1)
        + Migration    -  5 (+0)
        + Basic        -  2 (+0)

        + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764
        + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&hide_resolved=1

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Re: minutes of ESC call ...

Hi,

Michael Meeks wrote (14-03-13 17:10)

> * Learning lessons from the template manager story (Cedric)
> + was never included in any release as an experimental feature
> + can we find a way to encourage people to try experimental features ?
> + communication problems around entirely new UI elements (Astron)
> + better testing of new designs needed early in the cycle (Cedric)

I agree that this is just quite hard to achieve. Even when started well
in time: when the process is slow, and substantial changes are done
after some time (all the case here, IIRC), you may run in time problems
too :-\

> + no need for a formal process, shouldn't be hard to get
>  testers for nice new features (Bjoern)

Plus that maybe working with the feature brought as experimental,
reduces the (understandable) temptation to release a feature when the
release date is close, in stead of when it's fine enough.

> AI: + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX)
> + either in that dialog or a new dialog
> + also issue with only editing templates that are
>  in the mgr

Just added a suggestion for the latter to the relevant issue.
Pls don't forget the related issue(s) wrt the menu.

thanks,
Cor

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