+ Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten
Markus, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian,
Michael S, Bjoern, Bubli, Norbert
* Completed Action Items:
+ add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael)
+ turn gcc -Og on for a bit and see how it goes (Michael S)
[ turned on; a few complaints – but no show-stopping concerns yet.
It can happen that variables are not displayed; and optimized out,
mostly it happens for non-live variables.
Can see in frame 17 – some var optimized out, frame 18 can be seen there.
+ very hard to see boolean variables optimized out (Markus)
+ don't care wrt. a enable-debug build, but a dbgutil build should be the best.
Not debugged calc code - perhaps it it is worse there (Michael S)
+ configure tinderboxes to use this - gives nice stack traces. ? (Michael M)
+ concern wrt. full traces currently printing variables - mangling that (Miklos)
+ would need a reproducible scenario.
+ can try to find it again in an hour-long debugging session (Markus)
=> disable when we have a concrete bug report.
+ ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel)
[ lots of firebird bugs appear to be being fixed - great (Michael) ]
* Pending Action Items:
+ provide information for cloph on what the large Help change is (Olivier)
+ need a diff of the kind of string change, so Cloph can write a script.
+ poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
[ internal conversation ongoing ]
+ move gitdm-config to gerrit (Norbert)
[ not happened yet, missing Norbert ]
+ investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
+ improve QA Stats in the ESC minutes (Xisco)
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
+ 220.127.116.11 - next week, done by Jan
+ Venetian language: request to add.
+ made a gerrit change request; do we want to have it ?
+ already enabled on master & 5.3 - unlikely to break things.
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31727/ => just merge it.
+ 5.3.0 Beta2 & branch today, libreoffice-5-3-0 branch with rc2
+ waiting for pootle to do template updates
+ must be something wrong with VM / KVM
+ can't get that going.
+ need to have a B2 for bug-hunting at the weekend.
+ Late features:
+ separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli)
+ still waiting for Olivier's sample string change to write the script.
+ we need to see the impact on translators.
+ misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
+ now completed - and all fixes back-ported
+ Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
+ master is green now.
+ will prepare a new build based on the branch-off tag
+ online (Michael)
+ branched for -5-3 – will create source tarballs.
* UX Update (Heiko)
+ Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
added 2(-5) 16(-5) 61(-4) 489(-3)
commented 14(-40) 187(-48) 926(-61) 2793(-32)
removed 0(0) 1(0) 24(-2) 30(0)
resolved 6(-1) 17(1) 115(3) 133(5)
+ top 10 contributors:
Heiko Tietze made 40 changes in 1 month, and 515 changes in 1 year
*UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
Samuel Mehrbrodt made 13 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
*UNKNOWN* made 12 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
Yousuf Philips made 11 changes in 1 month, and 408 changes in 1 year
*UNKNOWN* made 11 changes in 1 month, and 22 changes in 1 year
Rene Engelhard made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
Tor Lillqvist made 8 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
V Stuart Foote made 5 changes in 1 month, and 193 changes in 1 year
*UNKNOWN* made 5 changes in 1 month, and 5 changes in 1 year
+ quiet days, working on color palette blog post
* Crashtest update (Caolan)
+ 2 import failure, 6 export failures
- only 1 svg import failure fixed
+ 16 coverity.
+ engaging with Google on ossfuzz
+ accepted our project.
+ need to merge in work from Caolan to make it run.
+ start with one file format to see how it goes.
* TDF / Budgeting / Brainstorming (Thorsten)
+ Idea generation:
+ Community Building feature / fix / tooling
+ Quality improvement tooling
+ Hard / dull but necessary stuff not getting done
+ Large missing features / function
+ IDE / simpler building (JanI)
+ More CI hardware to get quicker build-times (Noel)
+ consider cloud hardware cost; scale on-demand ? (Bjoern)
+ Image handling re-work (Michael)
+ have some ideas (Thorsten)
+ patch update code (Markus)
+ allow pushing patches, lots of details to sort out
+ have a FOSDEM talk for this in the dev-room
+ talk to releng & devs there @ the hack-fest.
=> not sure it will work out as a tender; already 70% done.
+ Windows & Linux ~done; no Mac so not tested
+ post Macs to people (Michael)
+ Accessibility improvements (Bubli / Michael)
+ User Metrics - would like real user data (Heiko)
+ 32bit icon creation (Heiko)
+ HSQLDB binary format migration (Michael)
+ finishing online help -> make it actually online (Kendy)
+ finishing the XHP generating JS, sort out translations,
ensure it works off-line with searching; and finally killing help viewer.
+ ideally also online editor (that would upload patches to gerrit)
+ tender submitted for BoD (Olivier)
+ split signing from the build process (Norbert)
+ so post-build sign it.
+ 5.5 idea - re-thinking how we install language-packs (Markus)
+ if we have an auto-updater with signed MAR files.
+ could provide translated installer, and download rest during install.
+ signing is done on the whole archive with this approach.
+ Improved scripting debugging (Michael)
+ awesome like browser ... built-in XRay
+ finish the API discovery/self-documentation by Bjoern
+ SmartArt - missing feature (Michael)
+ Better integration of extensions (Heiko)
+ Design-team page of topics for GSOC (Heiko)
+ unwind EMF+/WMF disaster area (Thorsten)
+ Improve the look of the SDK (Bjoern)
+ undo hugely painful gnumake-ness etc.
+ make it much more usable, and ideally from IDEs.
+ Ideally prefer to have stuff tried in GSOC first (Thorsten)
+ only fund it if it is really not going to get done.
AI: + create & publish a wiki page for this (JanI)
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017 + could we have a 'tips' scheme (Heiko)
+ KDE side, use pay-pal only https://www.kde.org/fundraisers/yearend2016/ + sounds like re-inventing freedom sponsors (Bubli)
+ if this happens - do it outside the foundation to avoid issues (Norbert)
+ like barnstars but with a financial 'tip' - is the idea.
* mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
+ openhub statistics based on analysis from 2016-11-29
1598(1598) people did in total: 443675(443675) commits in 8301307(8301307) lines of code
284(284) people did in 12 month: 15495(15495) commits
+ gerrit/git statistics:
committer... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 35(4) 56(3) 63(3) 63(3)
reviews 503(149) 1384(146) 3626(143) 17630(170)
merged 236(-12) 850(35) 2312(125) 8678(150)
abandoned 12(0) 48(2) 142(5) 650(1)
commits 307(21) 1315(-3) 4007(144) 15568(52)
contributor... 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 20(-2) 44(2) 49(4) 49(4)
reviews 606(1) 1917(156) 4713(287) 17750(316)
merged 31(2) 122(10) 367(14) 1311(24)
abandoned 5(-3) 18(2) 51(0) 401(-15)
commits 71(15) 256(15) 881(20) 4125(27)
+ easyHack statistics:
needsDevEval 18(18) needsUXEval 4(4) cleanup_comments 192(192)
total 235(235) assigned 14(14) open 197(197)
+ received patches from 5 emails the last month without license statement
+ top 5 contributors:
Gabor Kelemen made 41 patches in 1 month, and 145 patches in 1 year
Zdenek Crhonek made 22 patches in 1 month, and 307 patches in 1 year
Bartosz Kosiorek made 16 patches in 1 month, and 27 patches in 1 year
Mark Page made 11 patches in 1 month, and 31 patches in 1 year
Lera Goncharuk made 6 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
+ top 5 reviewers:
jan iversen made 172 review comments in 1 month, and 1688 in 1 year
Markus Mohrhard made 134 review comments in 1 month, and 1638 in 1 year
Noel Grandin made 132 review comments in 1 month, and 1242 in 1 year
Eike Rathke made 106 review comments in 1 month, and 1292 in 1 year
Caolán McNamara made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 1407 in 1 year
+ big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
** Removed this week, due to rework **
+ worked on gitdm licenses, we all need to be more careful when
merging and check that the author has submitted a license.
+ We need to start a discussion on the objective for mentoring
+ growing disconnect between:
+ what I see/read from contributors and
+ what experienced developers tell is missing.
+ Maybe we should have a “headhunter” instead of a “mentor”.
+ eg. a big discussion this morning: is an IDE useful for new developers.
+ is the objective - to get new people in from Universities ?
+ train to be core developers or ...
+ or do we want experinced developers from day #1
+ do we need an IDE when people can start day#1 ?
+ what JanI sees from universities.
+ surely IDE integration helps everyone (Michael)
+ experienced devs use IDE, but can also run 'make'.
+ Complete IDE integration is really hard (Norbert)
+ phenomenal problems for a complete build here (Michael)
+ core issue: can we move canonical builds away from 'make' ? (Bjoern)
+ if we get to some point like this - kill the old one ASAP.
+ a different build system needs to completely replace the old one,
+ have enough advantage to replace the old one.
+ a new person: (JanI)
+ git clone LODE - half day & full-day before you can code.
+ has nothing to do with make - but requiring cygwin & config (Bjoern)
+ and not supplying an IDE solution in our repo. (JanI)
+ want to have a solution for XYZ IDE - needs manual maintenance (Bjoern)
+ by definition not cross-platform; generated from 'make' or ... diverging duplication.
+ someone creating e.g. a Visual Studio extension that does all the cygwin/git clone/gerrit bootstrapping would be much appreciated though (Bjoern)
+ make when it runs on windows - takes 300Mb of memory (Norbert)
+ have an IDE - with sol'n with everything in it -> takes a long time to load.
+ most likely an IDE killer.
+ (also, reproducing all custom dependencies around UNO registries, l10ntools etc. will be a pain -- and a maintanance horror) (Bjoern)
+ eg. a pre-canned bundle with pre-built 'externals' and pre-canned VS file made from make (Michael)
=> come up with a good compromise proposal for next time (JanI)
* Re-organising which rules tests run under (Markus, Michael S, David)
+ unfortunately - spent last week debugging a11y (Michael S)
+ been running with the patch himself
+ https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/ + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/ + an annoying problem - we have a serialization point to stop big libraries linking in parallel
+ to help small laptops.
+ with all tests depending on services.rdb
+ while large libraries are linekd one after another; v. little runs in parallel with that.
+ build takes a minute or two longer
+ prolly not an improvement - espcially for CI.
+ is there a better way ? (Michael M)
+ eg. service dependencies.
+ the 30 component files in the makefiles is the issue (Michael S)
+ make - wants to first build all objects before linking the 1st library (Michael S)
+ still have external deps hard-coded 'make -j1' eg. NSS (Norbert)
+ what's a plan ?
+ move half the tests to subsequentcheck ?
+ create macros for subsets of tests ? (Michael)
+ have for the whole module the same set of component files ? (Markus)
+ automatically take them from the module definition ?
+ in calc/impress/writer (Michael S)
+ testing embedded objects - needing other components.
+ could special-case these tests (Markus)
+ would like to parallelise linking for CI (Norbert)
+ screenshot / dependency bits failing on windows (Norbert)
+ make clean ; make screenshot - systematically fails on lpsolver.
AI: + file a bug report ? (Norbert)
=> abandon until there is something people want to merge.
* Hardware issues (Michael)
+ can live without the swiss macs (Norbert)
+ how can we get them posted to people ? (Cloph)
+ taxes determined by weight, etc.
+ who has access to the data-center ?
AI: + poke Florian to encourage posting of Macs (Cloph)
+ would be useful to have a Mac - have some pending theming issues (Kendy)
+ who else needs a Mac ? ... answers on a post-card.
* l10n (Sophie)
+ LibreOffice Online pot files hasn’t been uploaded for 7 weeks
+ huge performance issues, will have an upgrade next week on Thursday.
+ hope this will solve the perf. problem.
+ translate.za - are working on this (Cloph)
+ doing some test migrations on their systems, if issues - will fix it.
+ plan is for Thur. if they can solve the performance issues, so down-time expected to be hours.
+ database needs to be migrated to the new schema (Cloph)
+ the transition to it is the thing that is slow.
* Testlink (Sophie)
+ testing this to replace MozTrap
+ it does localized test descriptions.