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* Present:
        + Stephan, Sophie, Caolan, Heiko, Kendy, JanI, Thorsten
           Markus, Miklos, Olivier, Michael M, Eike, Christian,
           Michael S, Bjoern, Bubli, Norbert
 
* Completed Action Items:
    + add GDI object use count to crash reporter (Michael)
    + turn gcc -Og on for a bit and see how it goes (Michael S)
        [ turned on; a few complaints – but no show-stopping concerns yet.
          It can happen that variables are not displayed; and optimized out,
          mostly it happens for non-live variables.
          Can see in frame 17 – some var optimized out, frame 18 can be seen there.
             + very hard to see boolean variables optimized out (Markus)
                 + don't care wrt. a enable-debug build, but a dbgutil build should be the best.
          Not debugged calc code - perhaps it it is worse there (Michael S)
              + configure tinderboxes to use this - gives nice stack traces. ? (Michael M)
                 + concern wrt. full traces currently printing variables - mangling that (Miklos)
                 + would need a reproducible scenario.
                     + can try to find it again in an hour-long debugging session (Markus)
              => disable when we have a concrete bug report.
    + ask Tamás Bunth how he feels about Firebird default (Lionel)
        [ lots of firebird bugs appear to be being fixed - great (Michael) ]
 
* Pending Action Items:
    + provide information for cloph on what the large Help change is (Olivier)
        + need a diff of the kind of string change, so Cloph can write a script.
    + poke at MSDN licenses (Michael)
        [ internal conversation ongoing ]
    + move gitdm-config to gerrit (Norbert)
        [ not happened yet, missing Norbert ]
    + investigate https://beta.opendocumentformat.org/testsets/all/en (Xisco)
    + improve QA Stats in the ESC minutes (Xisco)
 
* Release Engineering update (Christian)
    + 5.2.4.2 - next week, done by Jan
            + Venetian language: request to add.
                + made a gerrit change request; do we want to have it ?
                + already enabled on master & 5.3 - unlikely to break things.
                   https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31727/
                => just merge it.
    + 5.3.0 Beta2 & branch today, libreoffice-5-3-0 branch with rc2
        + waiting for pootle to do template updates
           + must be something wrong with VM / KVM
           + can't get that going.
        + need to have a B2 for bug-hunting at the weekend.
        + Late features:
            + separating images and icons for help modules (Olivier, Bubli)
                + still waiting for Olivier's sample string change to write the script.
                    + we need to see the impact on translators.
            + misc. PDF signing / embedding bits (Miklos)
                + now completed - and all fixes back-ported
    + Android & iOS Remote (Cloph)
        + master is green now.
        + will prepare a new build based on the branch-off tag
    + online (Michael)
        + branched for -5-3 – will create source tarballs.
 
* Documentation (Olivier)
     + important patch from Bubli that need to go in 5.3
         + separating images and icons for help modules
              + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30958/
              + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/30959/
                => defer and script properly for master; re-visit next week.
                        + Cloph has script templates
                                + but needs examples of the changes to the UI files.
      + Next: Will test screenshots make enabled by bubli
           ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Screenshots )
      + 12/8 the Getting Started Guide for 5.0 is released by the Brazilians
                + http://documentation.libreoffice.org/pt-br/portugues/guia-do-iniciante/
                + Blog post in local blogs, PR, new documentation website ready.
                      + https://pt-br.blog.documentfoundation.org/
                + Community seeking more work
      + writing a spec. for BOD.
 
* UX Update (Heiko)
 + Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
       256(256) (topicUI) bugs open, 494(494) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
   + Updates:
       BZ changes   1 week    1 month    3 months   12 months  
            added      2(-5)     16(-5)     61(-4)     489(-3)
        commented     14(-40)   187(-48)   926(-61)   2793(-32)
          removed      0(0)       1(0)      24(-2)      30(0)  
         resolved      6(-1)     17(1)     115(3)      133(5)  
   + top 10 contributors:
         Heiko Tietze made 40 changes in 1 month, and 515 changes in 1 year
         *UNKNOWN* made 13 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
         Samuel Mehrbrodt made 13 changes in 1 month, and 50 changes in 1 year
         *UNKNOWN* made 12 changes in 1 month, and 101 changes in 1 year
         Yousuf Philips made 11 changes in 1 month, and 408 changes in 1 year
         *UNKNOWN* made 11 changes in 1 month, and 22 changes in 1 year
         Rene Engelhard made 10 changes in 1 month, and 10 changes in 1 year
         Tor Lillqvist made 8 changes in 1 month, and 9 changes in 1 year
         V Stuart Foote made 5 changes in 1 month, and 193 changes in 1 year
         *UNKNOWN* made 5 changes in 1 month, and 5 changes in 1 year
  + quiet days, working on color palette blog post

* Crashtest update (Caolan)
    + 2 import failure, 6 export failures
        - only 1 svg import failure fixed
    + 16 coverity.
         + engaging with Google on ossfuzz
             + accepted our project.
             + need to merge in work from Caolan to make it run.
             + start with one file format to see how it goes.

* TDF / Budgeting / Brainstorming (Thorsten)
    + Idea generation:
    + Community Building feature / fix / tooling
    + Quality improvement tooling
    + Hard / dull but necessary stuff not getting done
    + Large missing features / function
         + Thoughts:
                + IDE / simpler building (JanI)
                + More CI hardware to get quicker build-times (Noel)
                     + consider cloud hardware cost; scale on-demand ? (Bjoern)
                + Image handling re-work (Michael)
                + have some ideas (Thorsten)
                + patch update code (Markus)
                     + allow pushing patches, lots of details to sort out
                     + have a FOSDEM talk for this in the dev-room
                     + talk to releng & devs there @ the hack-fest.
                     => not sure it will work out as a tender; already 70% done.
                     + Windows & Linux ~done; no Mac so not tested
                + post Macs to people (Michael)
                + Accessibility improvements (Bubli / Michael)
                + User Metrics - would like real user data (Heiko)
                + 32bit icon creation (Heiko)
                + HSQLDB binary format migration (Michael)
                + finishing online help -> make it actually online (Kendy)
                     + finishing the XHP generating JS, sort out translations,
                        ensure it works off-line with searching; and finally killing help viewer.
                     + ideally also online editor (that would upload patches to gerrit)
                        + tender submitted for BoD (Olivier)
                + split signing from the build process (Norbert)
                     + so post-build sign it.
                + 5.5 idea - re-thinking how we install language-packs (Markus)
                     + if we have an auto-updater with signed MAR files.
                     + could provide translated installer, and download rest during install.
                     + signing is done on the whole archive with this approach.
                + Improved scripting debugging (Michael)
                     + awesome like browser ... built-in XRay
                     + finish the API discovery/self-documentation by Bjoern
                + SmartArt - missing feature (Michael)
                + Better integration of extensions (Heiko)
                     + Design-team page of topics for GSOC (Heiko)
                + unwind EMF+/WMF disaster area (Thorsten)
                + Improve the look of the SDK (Bjoern)
                     + undo hugely painful gnumake-ness etc.
                     + make it much more usable, and ideally from IDEs.
         + Ideally prefer to have stuff tried in GSOC first (Thorsten)
               + only fund it if it is really not going to get done.
AI:     + create & publish a wiki page for this (JanI)
                   https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Budget2017 
         + could we have a 'tips' scheme (Heiko)
               + KDE side, use pay-pal only https://www.kde.org/fundraisers/yearend2016/
               + sounds like re-inventing freedom sponsors (Bubli)
               + if this happens - do it outside the foundation to avoid issues (Norbert)
               + like barnstars but with a financial 'tip' - is the idea.
 
* Hackfests (Bjoern)
    + next venues / suggestions
    + 33c3 CfP open (Bjoern):
              + https://events.ccc.de/2016/09/01/call-for-participation-33rd-chaos-communication-congress-en/
        + FSFE will be there, we can meet up with them.
    + FOSDEM - confirmed dev-room (Michael)
        +     3rd Feb 2017 - board (+MC) meetings.
        + 4th/5th Feb 2017 - core FOSDEM dates
        + 6th/7th Feb 2017 - Hackfest at Beta Coworking.
                  + http://www.bedfordhotelcongresscentre.com/ suggested instead of Astrid.
        + Lightning Talks on the day:
                       => tell Thorsten if you have a plan.
 
* mentoring/easyhack update (janI)
   + openhub statistics based on analysis from 2016-11-29
     1598(1598) people did in total: 443675(443675) commits in 8301307(8301307) lines of code
     284(284) people did in 12 month: 15495(15495) commits
   + gerrit/git statistics:
       committer...   1 week     1 month     3 months    12 months  
               open      35(4)       56(3)       63(3)        63(3)  
            reviews     503(149)   1384(146)   3626(143)   17630(170)
             merged     236(-12)    850(35)    2312(125)    8678(150)
          abandoned      12(0)       48(2)      142(5)       650(1)  
            commits     307(21)    1315(-3)    4007(144)   15568(52)
       contributor...   1 week    1 month     3 months    12 months  
                 open      20(-2)     44(2)       49(4)        49(4)  
              reviews     606(1)    1917(156)   4713(287)   17750(316)
               merged      31(2)     122(10)     367(14)     1311(24)
            abandoned       5(-3)     18(2)       51(0)       401(-15)
              commits      71(15)    256(15)     881(20)     4125(27)  
   + easyHack statistics:
      needsDevEval 18(18)   needsUXEval 4(4)   cleanup_comments 192(192)  
      total 235(235)   assigned 14(14)   open 197(197)
   + received patches from 5 emails the last month without license statement
   + top 5 contributors:
         Gabor Kelemen made 41 patches in 1 month, and 145 patches in 1 year
         Zdenek Crhonek made 22 patches in 1 month, and 307 patches in 1 year
         Bartosz Kosiorek made 16 patches in 1 month, and 27 patches in 1 year
         Mark Page made 11 patches in 1 month, and 31 patches in 1 year
         Lera Goncharuk made 6 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
   + top 5 reviewers:
         jan iversen made 172 review comments in 1 month, and 1688 in 1 year
         Markus Mohrhard made 134 review comments in 1 month, and 1638 in 1 year
         Noel Grandin made 132 review comments in 1 month, and 1242 in 1 year
         Eike Rathke made 106 review comments in 1 month, and 1292 in 1 year
         Caolán McNamara made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 1407 in 1 year
   + big CONGRATULATIONS to contributors who have at least 1 merged patch, since last report:
       ** Removed this week, due to rework **

   + worked on gitdm licenses, we all need to be more careful when
           merging and check that the author has submitted a license.
   + We need to start a discussion on the objective for mentoring
           + growing disconnect between:
                  + what I see/read from contributors and
                  + what experienced developers tell is missing.
           + Maybe we should have a “headhunter” instead of a “mentor”.
           + eg. a big discussion this morning: is an IDE useful for new developers.
                  + is the objective - to get new people in from Universities ?
                       + train to be core developers or ...
                  + or do we want experinced developers from day #1
           + do we need an IDE when people can start day#1 ?
                  + what JanI sees from universities.
                  + surely IDE integration helps everyone (Michael)
                       + experienced devs use IDE, but can also run 'make'.
            + Complete IDE integration is really hard (Norbert)
                  + phenomenal problems for a complete build here (Michael)
                  + core issue: can we move canonical builds away from 'make' ? (Bjoern)
                       + if we get to some point like this - kill the old one ASAP.
                       + a different build system needs to completely replace the old one,
                       + have enough advantage to replace the old one.
                  + a new person: (JanI)
                       + git clone LODE - half day & full-day before you can code.
                       + has nothing to do with make - but requiring cygwin & config (Bjoern)
                           + and not supplying an IDE solution in our repo. (JanI)
                           + want to have a solution for XYZ IDE - needs manual maintenance (Bjoern)
                               + by definition not cross-platform; generated from 'make' or ... diverging duplication.
                  + someone creating e.g. a Visual Studio extension that does all the cygwin/git clone/gerrit bootstrapping would be much appreciated though (Bjoern)
                  + make when it runs on windows - takes 300Mb of memory (Norbert)
                       + have an IDE - with sol'n with everything in it -> takes a long time to load.
                           + most likely an IDE killer.
+ (also, reproducing all custom dependencies around UNO registries, l10ntools etc. will be a pain -- and a maintanance horror) (Bjoern)
            + eg. a pre-canned bundle with pre-built 'externals' and pre-canned VS file made from make (Michael)
            => come up with a good compromise proposal for next time (JanI)
 
* Re-organising which rules tests run under (Markus, Michael S, David)
         + unfortunately - spent last week debugging a11y (Michael S)
              + been running with the patch himself
         + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
         + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/31075/
             + an annoying problem - we have a serialization point to stop big libraries linking in parallel
                   + to help small laptops.
                   + with all tests depending on services.rdb
                   + while large libraries are linekd one after another; v. little runs in parallel with that.
                   + build takes a minute or two longer
                   + prolly not an improvement - espcially for CI.
            + is there a better way ? (Michael M)
                   + eg. service dependencies.
                   + the 30 component files in the makefiles is the issue (Michael S)
            + make - wants to first build all objects before linking the 1st library (Michael S)
            + still have external deps hard-coded 'make -j1' eg. NSS (Norbert)
            + what's a plan ?
                    + move half the tests to subsequentcheck ?
                    + create macros for subsets of tests ? (Michael)
                          + have for the whole module the same set of component files ? (Markus)
                              + automatically take them from the module definition ?
                          + in calc/impress/writer (Michael S)
                             + testing embedded objects - needing other components.
                             + could special-case these tests (Markus)
            + would like to parallelise linking for CI (Norbert)
            + screenshot / dependency bits failing on windows (Norbert)
                 + make clean ; make screenshot - systematically fails on lpsolver.
AI:                 + file a bug report ? (Norbert)
            => abandon until there is something people want to merge.
 
* Commit Access

* Developer Certification (Stephan/Bjoern/Kendy/Thorsten)
    + sleeping 1 week.

* Jenkins / CI update (Norbert)

   from:Thu Dec  1 16:22:54 2016
   master linux rel  jobs: 199 ok: 189 ko:   9 fail ratio:  4.52 % break:   6 broken duration: 1.95%
   master linux dbg  jobs: 151 ok: 130 ko:  21 fail ratio: 13.91 % break:  10 broken duration:10.07%
   master mac rel    jobs: 171 ok: 162 ko:   9 fail ratio:  5.26 % break:   8 broken duration: 3.19%
   master mac dbg    jobs: 178 ok: 161 ko:  17 fail ratio:  9.55 % break:   7 broken duration: 6.48%
   master win rel    jobs: 129 ok: 121 ko:   8 fail ratio:  6.20 % break:   6 broken duration: 2.65%
   master win dbg    jobs: 128 ok: 112 ko:  16 fail ratio: 12.50 % break:   6 broken duration: 9.18%
   master win64 dbg  jobs: 136 ok: 123 ko:  13 fail ratio:  9.56 % break:   5 broken duration: 6.75%
   lo-5.2 mac        jobs:  18 ok:  18 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
   lo-5.1 mac        jobs:   0 ok:   0 ko:   0 fail ratio:  0.00 % break:   0 broken duration: 0.00%
   branch gerrit all jobs:  30 ok:  28 ko:   2 fail ratio: 6.67%
   master gerrit lin jobs: 350 ok: 321 ko:  29 fail ratio: 8.29%
   master gerrit plg jobs: 347 ok: 253 ko:  94 fail ratio:27.09%
   master gerrit win jobs: 355 ok: 198 ko: 156 fail ratio:43.94%
   master gerrit mac jobs: 353 ok: 280 ko:  71 fail ratio:20.11%
   master gerrit all jobs: 352 ok: 155 ko: 192 fail ratio:54.55%
         + Fairly normaly; spike in Linux debug - needs investigation.
 
* Hardware issues (Michael)
         + Mac
                  + can live without the swiss macs (Norbert)
                  + how can we get them posted to people ? (Cloph)
                       + taxes determined by weight, etc.
                       + who has access to the data-center ?
AI:              + poke Florian to encourage posting of Macs (Cloph)
                  + would be useful to have a Mac - have some pending theming issues (Kendy)
                  + who else needs a Mac ? ... answers on a post-card.
 
* l10n (Sophie)
    + LibreOffice Online pot files hasn’t been uploaded for 7 weeks
         + huge performance issues, will have an upgrade next week on Thursday.
               + hope this will solve the perf. problem.
         + translate.za - are working on this (Cloph)
               + doing some test migrations on their systems, if issues - will fix it.
               + plan is for Thur. if they can solve the performance issues, so down-time expected to be hours.
         + database needs to be migrated to the new schema (Cloph)
               + the transition to it is the thing that is slow.

* Testlink (Sophie)
     + testing this to replace MozTrap
         + it does localized test descriptions.

* QA update (Björn)

  + bragged a bit about QA response time/quota:
    https://twitter.com/Sweet5hark/status/806552914307190784

    + Third Bug Hunting Session – LibreOffice 5.3.0 Beta2
        * December 9 and 10, 2016 ( 2 days this time )
        * https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugHuntingSession/5.3.0Beta2

    + UNCONFIRMED: 518 (-14)
        + enhancements: 44 (-3)
        + needsUXEval: 5 (+1)
        + haveBackTrace: 15 (-1)
        + needsDevAdvice: 37 (0)
 
    + Most Pressing Bugs: http://tdf.io/mostressingbugs
            + macOS: newly created Base files cause crash in mdworker
                + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104083
            + macOS: libreoffice crash on startup, VCL thread mutex condition
                + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103690
            + FILEOPEN: DOCX: Chart bars not imported
                + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103963
                    + fixed: thanks to Markus.
                    + 2 problems reported in the bug. Most critical one already fixed.
                    + Severity and Priority lowered. Can be deleted from this list now.
            + no app-icon regression:
                + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103626
            + macOS: LO closed then opening any document by double-click never...
                + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77444

    + Mail merge regressions: http://tdf.io/mmregressions
        + 4 open; 4 open last meeting (2 OSX, 1 Linux, 1 generic but hard repro)
                  => drop from the QA section from now - always four.

* QA stats

  + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
   +178    -120        (+58 overall)
    many thanks to the top bug squashers:
        Buovjaga              20
        Telesto               13
        Aron Budea             9
        Xisco Faulí            8
        m.a.riosv              7
        Alex Thurgood          7
        V Stuart Foote         5
        Caolán McNamara        5
        Justin L               4
        Cor Nouws              4
        tommy27                3
        Miklos Vajna           3
        Eike Rathke            3
        Heiko Tietze           3
        Mark Hung              3

* Highest-Priority bugs (aka "MABs"):
        5.2: 2/22   -  9%
        5.1: 2/32   -  6%
        5.0: 3/57   -  5%
        4.4: 5/74   -  6%
        4.3: 4/69   -  5%
        4.2: 6/132  -  4%
        4.1: 3/79   -  3%
        4.0: 5/82   -  6%
        old: 29/247 - 11%

        + http://bit.ly/2dp3mwC

* Bisected bugs open: keyword 'bisected'
    + more accurate - down to a single commit.
    + 305/1101 303/1087 292/1061 261/1015 261/1003 261/996 259/988 245/891
       + http://bit.ly/2dyIfDy

* Bibisected bugs open: keyword 'bibisected'
    + 381/1633 378/1618 366/1593 348/1557 350/1545 352/1538 351/1530 345/1516
        + http://bit.ly/2cSCXlS

* all bugs tagged with 'regression'
    + 732(+10) bugs open of 5494(+32) total 11(-3) high prio.

        * ~Component   count net * high severity regressions
           LibreOffice - 3 (+0)
                  Base - 3 (-1)
      filter / storage - 1 (+0)
               Impress - 1 (+0)
                 Chart - 1 (+0)
               Writer  - 1 (-1)
                  Calc - 1 (-1)

                + http://bit.ly/1HWHb3E

                by OS:
                        + Mac     - 5
                        + All     - 4
                        + Windows - 1
                        + Linux   - 1

        * ~Component   count net * all regressions
          Writer: other - 130 (+5)
                   Calc - 113 (-4)
                Impress - 68 (+2)
           Writer: docx - 59 (+0)
            LibreOffice - 54 (+0)
                     UI - 41 (+3)
            Writer: doc - 35 (+3)
         graphics stack - 35 (-1)
                   Base - 33 (-2)
                   Draw - 30 (+1)
                Borders - 27 (-1)
                Crashes - 30 (+0)
       filter / storage - 22 (+3)
         Writer: filter - 20 (+0)
                  Chart - 16 (+0)
     print / PDF export - 14 (-2)
           Writer: perf - 11 (+0)
                  BASIC - 10 (+0)
              framework -  3 (+0)
             Extensions -  2 (+0)
           Installation -  1 (+0)
                    sdk -  1 (+0)
         Formula Editor -  1 (+0)
                + http://bit.ly/1BUdI8i


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